ivan zlax

2019-05-03 02:46:53

ivan zlax

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ivan zlax wrote the following post Sat, 03 May 2014 18:56:00 +0400

less effectively than cloudbuster
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All these transmitting aerials were built in coarse of the last twenty three years from now, after the Soviet Union's dissolution, under the secret services' guidance and military control:

Ionospheric Laboratory, Urumchi (Urumqi) Site, Xinjiang (Sinkiang) Region.

The area in the following image is 275x275 meters. The China Research Institute of Radiowave Propagation (CRIRP)

The High Frequency Active Auroral Research Program (HAARP) is an ionospheric research program jointly funded by the U.S. Air Force, the U.S. Navy and the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency.

The area in the following image is 400x300 meters.

¶14. Disinformation alleging that the Haitian earthquake was deliberately caused by what is inaccurately described as a U.S. secret weapon, the High Frequency Active Auroral Research Program (HAARP) ... Posts should rely on guidance in Ref B and C to respond to any appearances of the «secret weapon» earthquake disinformation, and should report any new disinformation to Task Force 3 (TaskForce-3@state.gov).

Kashira-8

1666 meters is the diameter of this slash gear. Military base 56707 (object "Polus-1")

Ionospheric laboratory less effectively than cloudbuster, but more effectively than hagelkanon.

ODD# V(d)/1,ii;50Dsc3180
#odd #weather #WeatherHoax #hoax #Russia #tula #usa #asia #conspiracy
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2019-07-07 01:00:01

ivan zlax

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@anonymiss
https://wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/10STATE9107_a.html

14. Disinformation alleging that the Haitian earthquake was deliberately caused by what is inaccurately described as a U.S. secret weapon, the High Frequency Active Auroral Research Program (HAARP), continues to appear in some fringe media, including "Javan" daily in Iran and "thepeoplesvoice.org." But some critics are now trying to distance themselves from the disinformation: The Venezuelan Embassy in the United States sent a complaint to the website of "Foreign Policy" magazine, asserting that President Hugo Chavez had never personally associated himself with the story that an alleged U.S. weapon had caused the earthquake in Haiti (one of the first appearances of the disinformation was on the website of a state-run television station in Venezuela, and attributed directly to Chavez by ABC newspaper in Spain). Posts should rely on guidance in Ref B and C to respond to any appearances of the "secret weapon" earthquake disinformation, and should report any new disinformation to Task Force 3 (TaskForce- 3@state.gov).

I am not an English speaker, but i read this paragraph like this
"U.S. secret weapon had caused the earthquake in Haiti. Any mentioning of information about the secret weapon regarding earthquake, should report to Task Force 3 (TaskForce- 3@state.gov)."
In my opinion the meaning of this paragraph in this simple thesis. Otherwise, why does the State Department collect data on fiction disinformation?

2019-09-11 11:02:56

ivan zlax

zlax@ussr.win

http://wikimapia.org/134555/ru/Антенное-поле

Эфраим Саагер (гость)
Служил 1976-1978. Прибыл, накачанный байками про дедовщину. За первые полгода, пока был "глобусом" драил очко только два раза за мою наглость. Весь л/с был с ЦПУПС, офицерский состав из Германии. Офицеры с нами на "Вы", непривычно. Боялся идти в Армию, хотя первый разряд по Дзю-До. Это были лучшие мои годы в Армии за 45 лет службы.
4 года назад

Ephraim Saager (guest)
Served in 1976-1978. Arrived, pumped with stories about hazing. For the first six months, while I was a "ghost", was scrubbing the toilet sink only twice for my impudence. All soldiers was from the FCCC, the officer staff from Germany. Officers are with us on the "You", unusual. I was afraid to go to the Army, although i have the first category in judo. These were my best years in the Army for 45 years of service.
4 years ago

2019-09-19 15:58:35

Ted

florida_ted@diasp.org

Maybe you should consider making a thesis statement so people know what you are trying to assert with this post.

2019-09-19 16:02:20

ivan zlax

zlax@ussr.win

@Ted
I am not an English speaker, but i read this paragraph like this
"U.S. secret weapon had caused the earthquake in Haiti. Any mentioning of information about the secret weapon regarding earthquake, should report to Task Force 3 (TaskForce- 3@state.gov)."
In my opinion the meaning of this paragraph in this simple thesis. Otherwise, why does the State Department collect data on fiction disinformation?

2019-09-19 16:17:28

Ted

florida_ted@diasp.org

In my opinion the meaning of this paragraph in this simple thesis.

@ivan zlax It looks to me like you have mis-interpreted the original paragraph 14 (from Wikileaks). I also find it difficult to understand your reasoning. Maybe you should carefully edit before posting comments.

In my opinion the meaning of this paragraph in this simple thesis.

In my opinion the meaning of this paragraph IS this simple thesis. (Did you mean to write "is" instead of "in" in the sentence above?

2019-09-19 16:55:08

ivan zlax

zlax@ussr.win

@Ted

In my opinion the meaning of this paragraph IS this simple thesis. (Did you mean to write "is" instead of "in" in the sentence above?

I am not an English speaker, i do not feel the difference between:
In my opinion the meaning of this paragraph IN this simple thesis
In my opinion the meaning of this paragraph IS this simple thesis

Anyway, why does the State Department collect data on fiction disinformation?

2019-09-19 17:12:29

Ted

florida_ted@diasp.org

why does the State Department collect data on fiction disinformation?

While I am not a fan of many actions takes by the U.S. Department of State, it seems clear that they would want to collect data on whatever messages they label 'disinformation' so they can offer effective counter-information.

2019-09-19 17:34:49

ivan zlax

zlax@ussr.win

While I am not a fan of many actions takes by the U.S. Department of State, it seems clear that they would want to collect data on whatever messages they label 'disinformation' so they can offer effective counter-information.

More selective attention. Somehow there is no such instruction regarding misinformation of Jewish influence in the U.S. government, anti-government misinformation about the 911 events or the Kennedy assassination. In addition, i can show you the documents confirming that the U.S. government itself financed the systematic creation of disinformation on similar topics. But there's a clear announcement about the denunciation.

@Ted, please tell me, did you know that many ionospheric laboratories have appeared all over the world over the past 30 years?

There is evidences:

(this map is very outdated, it is not show current situation)

2019-09-19 17:43:39

Ted

florida_ted@diasp.org

@ivan zlax, I cannot spend any more time responding to your comments. Regrettably, and for whatever reason, you make it very difficult for me to have meaningful discussions with you.

2019-09-19 18:23:20

ivan zlax

zlax@ussr.win

@Ted it is sad.

It's no surprise, though, because climate change is the most beneficial for "developed world". Well, you've got a lot of chances of getting into the golden billion. That's a little too much information for you:

To vulgarize it: they ‘do not shop around for truth’. Which makes them, at least ideologically, fully fundamentalist.
But why? Isn’t knowledge the greatest adventure? Isn’t ‘democracy’ a farce, if almost all people see the world with the same eyes?
The conclusion that I am lately arriving at, is: they do not search, they do not compare and ‘they do not want to know’ because they are scared.
Scared of discovering reality, which would in turn force them to act; to at least shed some of the basic privileges the citizens of the colonizing countries, enjoy.

https://journal-neo.org/2018/11/27/western-public-does-not-know-or-does-not-want-to-know-2/

2019-09-19 18:39:46

Ted

florida_ted@diasp.org

Finally, you've given me something real to evaluate! That article by Andre Vltchek is well written, very clear, and, for the most part, I agree with his points. Thank you for sharing that.

Now, I ask you to not assume that because I live in the West and am a beneficiary of the U.S. global empire that I support what it is doing. All empires eventually fail, and this one will be no exception.

2019-09-19 18:58:27

ivan zlax

zlax@ussr.win

@Ted

Now, I ask you to not assume that because I live in the West and am a beneficiary of the U.S. global empire that I support what it is doing.

Can i take it as your declaration that you knowingly share a colonial worldview? What do you have to say that you and me on different sides of the fight - i'm an aborigine whose resources you want to seize and you're a colonizer in this case?
(i don't quite understand what you mean by that)

All empires eventually fail, and this one will be no exception.

I can show you that your ideas about the past are falsified. Your "knowledge" of past empires is a fake imposed by the Prussian educational system. I have a lot of visual materials for this. Here's as the seed:
https://www.press.uchicago.edu/ucp/books/book/chicago/F/bo4154472.html
https://press.uchicago.edu/ucp/books/author/W/C/au5845000.html
https://web.archive.org/web/20170818210445/https://press.uchicago.edu/ucp/books/author/W/C/au5845000.html
https://web.archive.org/web/20111108072227/https://www.press.uchicago.edu/ucp/books/book/chicago/F/bo4154472.html
(if you want to know more about Western falsification of the past for the interest of German feudal clans - just ask me about it)
The current situation is unprecedented, it's never happened before.

2019-09-19 19:25:22

Ted

florida_ted@diasp.org

The current situation is unprecedented, it’s never happened before.

I don't doubt you about this. I will check the links you provided.

As for your statement that I "knowingly share a colonial worldview," I think that is different from being a "beneficiary of the U.S. global empire." To be clear, although I live in the West and know a bit about the harm the U.S. global empire does, I do NOT support what it is doing.

2019-09-19 20:37:46

ivan zlax

zlax@ussr.win

@Ted

As for your statement that I "knowingly share a colonial worldview," I think that is different from being a "beneficiary of the U.S. global empire." To be clear, although I live in the West and know a bit about the harm the U.S. global empire does, I do NOT support what it is doing.

That sounds good. I'm glad to hear it from you.
But i wasn't born the first day to believe it. I've met many examples before of people in the West saying good and beautiful things about themselves (and condemning their governments), but when i ask them to confirm their words in action, they become strong supporters of censorship and i get insulted usually. I don't want you to do the same to me. That's why i ask in advance: will you let me check the sincerity of your words?

2019-09-19 20:52:25

Ted

florida_ted@diasp.org

That’s why i ask in advance: will you let me check the sincerity of your words?

Yes, you may ask any questions to check the sincerity of my words. Of course, I reserve the right to not answer some kinds of questions.

2019-09-19 20:58:36

ivan zlax

zlax@ussr.win

@Ted

To be clear, although I live in the West and know a bit about the harm the U.S. global empire does, I do NOT support what it is doing.

Do you participate in democratic elections?
Do you pay taxes?

2019-09-19 21:06:14

Ted

florida_ted@diasp.org

Yes to both, but for different reasons than you might assume. But let me warn you that, although I do not wish to publicly state my reasons, you should be careful not to make assumptions, as you have in the past.

2019-09-19 21:14:48

ivan zlax

zlax@ussr.win

@Ted

Yes to both

But this mean you support the harm the U.S. global empire does.
By participation in democratic elections you support it by legitimization.
By paying taxes you support it by money.
I hope you're not want to say that the word "support" has changed its connotation in English.

2019-09-19 21:28:55

Ted

florida_ted@diasp.org

We have the same understanding of the word "support" but I do not wish to publicly state my reasons. Once again, you should be careful not to make assumptions, as you have in the past.

2019-09-19 22:40:39

ivan zlax

zlax@ussr.win

@Ted early you said:

To be clear, although I live in the West and know a bit about the harm the U.S. global empire does, I do NOT support what it is doing.

But later you admit that you support the harm the U.S. global empire does by money and legitimization.

Is it?

2019-09-19 23:24:27

elmussol

elmussol@elsmussols.net

@ivan zlax A clarification please. How do you avoid taxes if for example you have taxes deducted by your employer before you receive them? Or you go into a shop to buy something or have a utility bill that has Value Added Tax (VAT -- UK terminology)/Impuestos sobre el Valor Añadido (IVA -- Spanish terminology) levied on it? I believe Russia has an equivalent to VAT/IVA. Most taxes paid by working-class people are not avoidable, and of course lower income people pay a higher proportion of their income as tax. Of course, if you're rich a lot of tax is avoidable with the right accountant and a tax regime designed to work in your favour.

I think that someone not wishing to comment on their personal tax status is perfectly acceptable on a public post. I would draw no inference from it.

Voting is of course (mostly) voluntary and people are free to do as they will. I would probably draw an inference from how they choose.

2019-09-19 23:35:37

Ted

florida_ted@diasp.org

You're right @ivan zlax. Let me rephrase my statement to be more clear.

Although I live in the West and know a bit about the harm the U.S. global empire does, I do NOT approve of what the empire is doing.

By the way, do you know what happens to people in the USA when they do not pay the taxes the government says they owe? I am not paying federal income tax voluntarily. In law, this is called extortion.

2019-09-20 00:07:37

ivan zlax

zlax@ussr.win

A clarification please. How do you avoid taxes if for example you have taxes deducted by your employer before you receive them?

Do not work on employer.
But if you really want to pay taxes, but not for the support of NATO, you can move to some other place and pay taxes, for example, to the treasury of the Swiss canton or Maroc sheikh.
It's not worth a lot for Westerners to change their place of residence. It is for the residents of the Western colonies created many obstacles (of an economic nature) so that they cannot escape.

Or you go into a shop to buy something or have a utility bill that has Value Added Tax (VAT -- UK terminology)/Impuestos sobre el Valor Añadido (IVA -- Spanish terminology) levied on it?

Yeah, these middlemen are trying to get in everywhere. I prefer natural exchange, alternative currencies, etc. By the way, i have three Fediverse PLA coins (you can eat them), if you're interested, i can buy something from you on it:
Image/photo

I believe Russia has an equivalent to VAT/IVA.

I can't say anything about it, i try to stay away from the representatives of Russia and banks.
I used to use it, i had a credit card (i was given it when i was working - the last time it was 11 years ago), but 5 years ago i decided to give it up, broke the card and now i'm bypassing banking institutions.
I can be blunt - i've never regretted this decision yet. I've gotten a lot better, i'm not exaggerating. Having a bank account required additional resources from my biocomputer, which was one of the main causes of stress when i was living in the city.

Of course, if you're rich a lot of tax is avoidable with the right accountant and a tax regime designed to work in your favour.

It's easier to change the place of residence for this purpose. There are many places in the world where there are no taxes. But this method threatens to lose some colonial advantages for residents of the West (like unemployment benefit).

2019-09-20 00:33:28

ivan zlax

zlax@ussr.win

@Ted

By the way, do you know what happens to people in the USA when they do not pay the taxes the government says they owe?

I don't know, but i can assume they're becoming homeless.
U.S. bums are some of the most respected people by me in this country, on an equal footing with Indian survivors. These are the most respected people in the USA. I do not joke or exaggerate. U.S. bums don't support the harm the U.S. global empire does - it's worthy of respect.

I am not paying federal income tax voluntarily. In law, this is called extortion.

I used to do so too (and i can tell you, i worked for the U.S. - 11 years ago, formally at the time, i was paying taxes for RussianFed, but working for an US company in fact, US was the benificiar), but then i decided to break off all contacts with government and bank officials.

2019-09-20 00:47:22

ivan zlax

zlax@ussr.win

@Ted also, when you will have a time, please answer my question:
Please tell me, did you know that many ionospheric laboratories have appeared all over the world over the past 30 years?
I want to show you what you are support by money and by legitimization (but you not approve that).

2019-09-20 00:50:39

elmussol

elmussol@elsmussols.net

So that sounds like you have managed a set of solutions that work for you.

Others try in their own ways, I live in a wooden shed up a mountain, off the water and electricity grids, we grow some of our food, we have chickens. It's not for everyone. It's hard. I don't have a formal job now, but I did a regular job for decades (my children were fond of eating more than once a week and having a roof over their heads).

Everything I bought today I did by cash. But I still paid to the Spanish state by putting some petrol in my car, buying some alfalfa for my donkeys, I bought some food. I paid for car insurance, server hosting and my internet/telephone at home through my bank account (and more taxes paid).

It is illusory to think that everyone can hang the system. I have experience of living in two European countries and have been a constant critic of both of them throughout my adult life. My experience is that most working-class people are not content. They know they are being screwed everyday by "them". They know that their taxes don't just go on the good stuff like the health service and unemployment support, but also on the crazy wars and tax breaks for the rich and the corporations.

And a point on emigrating. Are you advocating that the whole working population of the EU (and North America) should move en bloc? Where? People should of course be able to live where they like. Most can't or don't want to move, others risk life and limb to make it happen.

It sounds like you are trying to generalize for everyone from your own experience.

2019-09-20 02:07:10

ivan zlax

zlax@ussr.win

@elmussol

Others try in their own ways, I live in a wooden shed up a mountain, off the water and electricity grids, we grow some of our food, we have chickens.

It is cool. I respect that.

Everything I bought today I did by cash. But I still paid to the Spanish state by putting some petrol in my car, buying some alfalfa for my donkeys, I bought some food. I paid for car insurance, server hosting and my internet/telephone at home through my bank account (and more taxes paid).

By the way, i used to use the Liberty Reserve a lot before. I had a few hundred in the account when they seized it:
https://web.archive.org/web/20131002125226/http://www.libertyreserve.com/index.html

It is illusory to think that everyone can hang the system.

It is illusory to think that everyone can support the system.

They know that their taxes don't just go on the good stuff like the health service and unemployment support, but also on the crazy wars and tax breaks for the rich and the corporations.

But knowing that, why did you decide to stay in Europe?
There are a lot of great places in Mexica. Have you heard of the Zapatista autonomy in Chiapas?

And a point on emigrating. Are you advocating that the whole working population of the EU (and North America) should move en bloc? Where?

I recommend, first of all, the former colonies and countries destroyed by the war.
For intensive cleaning of colonial karma - i can recommend Agbogbloshie, Chelyabinsk, Guangzhou.

People should of course be able to live where they like. Most can't or don't want to move, others risk life and limb to make it happen.

Well, at least you have the opportunity to do it legally and easy. Well, i guess only North Korea won't let you in, but anywhere else - you can move with your whole family. The residents of Western colonies do not have such an opportunity legally in the most of cases.

It sounds like you are trying to generalize for everyone from your own experience.

No, i don't have experience of living in developed countries. I was passing through, as guest (by the way, i was in Catalonia about 15 years ago).

2019-09-20 03:35:52

Ted

florida_ted@diasp.org

Please tell me, did you know that many ionospheric laboratories have appeared all over the world over the past 30 years?

I know nothing about ionospheric laboratories.

2019-09-20 03:56:30

ivan zlax

zlax@ussr.win

@Ted I've studied the subject in detail for a long time. I would like to tell you more about this so that you know what you support by money and by legitimization. I'll show you that, i'll confirm my claims with documents.

Tell me, do you want to know about it? Or do you not want to know about it?
(like people don't want to know that the US government version of events on 9/11 is a lie)

2019-09-20 03:59:30

Ted

florida_ted@diasp.org

But if you really want to pay taxes, but not for the support of NATO, you can move to some other place and pay taxes, for example, to the treasury of the Swiss canton or Maroc sheikh. It’s not worth a lot for Westerners to change their place of residence.

Unfortunately, I'm not wealthy enough to move my family abroad, much less to an expensive place like Switzerland. I also have many close friends in the community where I live; I have invested myself in relationships here that cannot easily be sacrificed.

2019-09-20 04:07:13

Ted

florida_ted@diasp.org

Tell me, do you want to know about it [ionospheric laboratories]?

Of course, I would like to know more about everything!

2019-09-20 04:13:58

ivan zlax

zlax@ussr.win

@Ted

Unfortunately, I'm not wealthy enough to move my family abroad, much less to an expensive place like Switzerland. I also have many close friends in the community where I live; I have invested myself in relationships here that cannot easily be sacrificed.

Yes, you are lucky, you have no reason to sacrifice all this, you only have reason to try to keep it for your offspring and bring up children so that they appreciate it and save and accumulate family social capital. After all, you support NATO by money and by legitimization,
This is a kind of vicious circle. Everybody understands that very well. It's just not customary to talk about such things.
I have a Palestinian friend who came to Tula to study. He was less fortunate thanks of your support of the U.S. government, his family was sacrificed.

2019-09-20 04:33:40

ivan zlax

zlax@ussr.win

@Ted Please, look to this antennas, it is HAARP:
Image/photo

They're not a receiving antennas, they're an emitting antennas. These antennas do not study the ionosphere, but "study the influence on the ionosphere". This is the first one.
All these laboratories have appeared all over the world in the last 30 years, after the collapse of the USSR.
But the object i mentioned in the post - Kashira-8 is special. A brother of a friend of mine served there as a soldier. Soldiers guard the object from civilians. But the military has no access to the facility. The FSO is guarding the facility from the military. Two levels of secrecy. Also all over the world - the military themselves do not know what and why they are guarding.
Before i continue, i want to ask you two questions:
- Do you know what fractal antennas are?
- After the fall of the Soviet Union and the evil of communism, who do you think is the potential adversary? For whom all these new laboratories, if they are really climate weapons?

2019-09-20 04:41:58

ivan zlax

zlax@ussr.win

Before i continue, i want to ask you two questions:

Answers to this questions will help me provide you clear explanation without unnecessary details.

2019-09-20 23:37:14

Ted

florida_ted@diasp.org

Do you know what fractal antennas are?

No, I've never heard of these.

After the fall of the Soviet Union and the evil of communism, who do you think is the potential adversary? For whom all these new laboratories, if they are really climate weapons?

I don't know that these are weapons, so it seems premature to identify the potential adversary, but if I were to guess, I would say China.

2019-09-21 00:56:16

ivan zlax

zlax@ussr.win

@Ted

No, I've never heard of these.

I can recommend this documentary to get an basics of the fractal antennas in 50 minutes.
In short, i'll describe it this way. Maybe you remember that cell phones and radio phones used to have simple antennas - they were sticking out of the phones. But modern phones and wireless radio devices do not have any visible antennas protruding from the design, and their transmitting capacity has increased significantly. This is due to fractal antennas:

In fact, it's an ornament-like drawing made from a electric conductor. A small pattern with a 1cm diameter in your smartphone works more efficiently (a few orders of magnitude better) than this:

I focus on the difference between conventional and fractal antennas to indicate that US HAARP is using field of conventional antennas for "study the influence on the ionosphere":
Image/photo

(400x300 meters field)
As another example Chinese laboratory is using field of conventional antennas for "study the influence on the ionosphere":
Image/photo

(275x275 meters)
https://web.archive.org/web/20070308132153/http://www.crirp.ac.cn/

I explained and emphasized this so that you could understand the meaning of this fractal-circular object in Tula Abatis:
Image/photo

(1,5km in diamter)

I think you'll find it easier to understand this statement after my short explanation of basics of antennas:
HAARP is a testing facility, in addition it has been mothballed for many years. This installation is not important, but it is very much in focus of massmedia for the purpose to hide similar objects all over the planet.
If you think my assertion is groundless, justk ask - i give you more detailed substantiation.

I don't know that these are weapons, so it seems premature to identify the potential adversary, but if I were to guess, I would say China.

All of these ionospheric laboratories are not documented as weapons now. Formally, they are research science laboratories, but they are funded, guarded and assigned to the military.
During Cold War only 3 states researched "influence on the ionosphere": USSR, USA and Norway. But during the Cold War it was called weather modification warfare directly. In your country government try to hide information about global project:
http://web.archive.org/web/19970212213658/http://www.oha.doe.gov/cases/foia/vfa0043.htm
These installations are not for China. They appeared in China, after the collapse of the USSR, as far as i understand - this technology was transferred to China, it is not their own national ionospheric developments.
If not against the Chinese, against whom has this technology begun to spread across the planet over the past 30 years?
https://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&oe=UTF8&msa=0&msid=216128459170937510743.0004a6b8c22f2746ff09f
(this map is not full - there is no Kashira-8)