2019-10-01 17:01:48

taschenlampe@despora.de

The End of Anti-Fascism (David Broder)

The European Parliament has condemned communism as equivalent to Nazism. Based on a fantasy reading of history, the motion smears all “radicalism” as “totalitarian” — and dismisses the moral superiority of those who fought fascism.

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#antifa #europe #nazi #communism #nazism

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2019-10-02 01:57:56

ivan zlax

zlax@ussr.win

Today's Westerners don't like to associate themselves with the Nazis. But today's Westerners are very fond of Nazi traditions:
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2019-10-02 14:01:45

Taschenlampe Müller

taschenlampe@despora.de

Dinesh D'Souza...lol...yes, isnt he a Trump-fan and climate change denier ? :-)

Of course "Westerners are very fond of Nazi traditions" as fascism is part of western culture (from San Fran to Vladivostok from Spitzbergen to Captown) . Still, comparing G.T. with Nazism is quite stupid, this´s just bad taste and trolling.

2019-10-03 06:59:58

ivan zlax

zlax@ussr.win

@Taschenlampe Müller

Dinesh D'Souza...lol...yes, isnt he a Trump-fan and climate change denier ? :-)

I do not know anything about him.
But i clearly see that current Colonial Climate Change Propaganda uses the same stamps as Nazis used before.

Still, comparing G.T. with Nazism is quite stupid, this´s just bad taste and trolling.

Not. This is a very accurate comparison. The motive for Nazi aggression was colonialism (the Germans had few resource colonies at that time). The motive of Greta's activity is also colonialism. Both the Nazis and Greta enjoyed the support of the Rothschilds:
But some critics are already pointing out inconsistencies: this boat that aims for zero emissions is what Tesla is to the car. That is to say, an expensive object, a technological gem and financially inaccessible for a large majority of people.
This sailboat built in 2015 by the Edmond de Rothschild was bought for several million euros by team of Malizia, the team captained by the vice-president of the Monaco Yacht Club, Pierre Casiraghi, Caroline de Monaco's son.
Other critics point out that while Greta Thunberg's speeches denounce the power of money, reality shows that ecological excellence, symbolized by this boat, requires significant financial support. Especially since the boat would be sponsored by BMW, a Swiss bank and the Principality of Monaco.
Greta Thunberg replied that this "Malizia team has sponsors, of course. But for this trip with me to New York, there is no commercial sponsors. All their logos have been removed. It is not about money or future payments. They offered me a free trip because they support my cause."
http://www.leparisien.fr/societe/greta-thunberg-se-rend-a-new-york-dans-un-bateau-tres-ecolo-mais-tres-cher-01-08-2019-8127084.php

The main success method of the Nazis and Greta is propaganda supported by media magnates. A lot of coincidences.

2019-10-04 16:18:26

Taschenlampe Müller

taschenlampe@despora.de

Well that does not impress me. There are lot of coincidences in everything when you try to find them. Still, the ideology that nazis propagated cannot be compared with Thunberg's. Were do you see any fascism in Thunberg´s position: I dont see any of this: *racism *nationalism *chauvinism *antisemitism *anticommunism So comparing here with nazi is either trolling (what I would find strangely amusing) or lack of historical knowledge.

2019-10-04 18:35:34

ivan zlax

zlax@ussr.win

@Taschenlampe Müller

Still, the ideology that nazis propagated cannot be compared with Thunberg's.

For you as resident of privileged country who could benefit from her agenda - cannot.
For me as a slav of Western colony, it can be:

Earlier, the West used this colonial manipulation immediately after the collapse of the USSR:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kyoto_Protocol
The consequences of this treaty: Western Europe has outsourced its harmful and environmentally unfriendly production to the East.

http://www.bloha.info/view/articles/1011642/
After the report on the state and environmental protection of the Russian Federation, Yasnaya Polyana was included in the list of settlements most affected by air pollution with various harmful substances.
Shchekinoazot, which is known to produce urea-formaldehyde concentrate, was concerned about pollution data that appeared in the media.
According to some reports, the degree of air pollution with formaldehyde in Yasnaya Polyana has exceeded 20 times the limit of its maximum permissible concentration.

Yasnaya Polyana is the place where i was born. This example from my personal experience.

Thanks to the previous phase of the Kyoto Protocol, this toxic carcinogenic production was closed in the West. But they opened it at my homeland (and the patent is Danish, and the owner of the production is Hasid) and in Slovenia. Well, in fact, not in Saxony to produce such a product.

Topsøe chemical company was founded in Copenhagen in 1940:
Lasting approximately six hours, the German ground campaign against Denmark was one of the shortest military operations of the Second World War.
German forces captured the 70-strong garrison of the Citadel, the headquarters of the Danish Army, without a single shot.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_invasion_of_Denmark_(1940)
And thss hisstory is similar to the hisstory of a Stasi's agent Vladimir or the British Saxon-Coburg-Gotha dynasty. After that i don't believe in a serial coincidences.

For this blacks from Congo who dedicates their childhood to working in the mine for the glory of the Western Renewable Energetics, it can be:
https://www.theverge.com/2019/2/15/18226210/energy-renewables-materials-mining-environment-neodymium-copper-lithium-cobalt

For this blacks from Ghana who dedicates their childhood to working in the dump for the glory of the Western Environmental Care, it can be:
https://www.dw.com/en/ghana-where-europes-e-waste-goes/av-48293365

I see a repetition of the same thing that the Nazis tried have done before, but in a more sophisticated way. Before for that they used propaganda. Now for the same goals West use PR, as i can see it from the side of colony.

When i am so detailed about this topic, the people of the West prefer to resort to censorship at this point. I do not judge anyone, i do not blame anyone, i simply state the reality i observe. For this, I am insulted, ban and complained about, most often by those who actively repost in support of freedom of speech, equality or some kind of New World.

I confess i've talked a lot about this. In this situation of all the diversity of Westerners, modern White Nationalists are the most respected in this case - just because they're honest. Their words do not differ from their deeds.

Unlike the majority of the Westerners who are concerned about self-publicity, whose words and deeds are very different.
White Nationalists say what most westerners do: they think the planet belongs to them.

Please, before you ignore, ban me or writing an another indulgence, better listen to this song:

William Onyeabor – Better Change Your Mind (Official Audio)
by Luaka Bop on YouTube https://invidio.us/watch?v=0yLWJEoep_4

2019-10-04 21:23:38

Gokh

gokhlayeh@pod.geraspora.de

But i clearly see that current Colonial Climate Change Propaganda uses the same stamps as Nazis used before.

Thanks for the picture.

Not. This is a very accurate comparison. The motive for Nazi aggression was colonialism (the Germans had few resource colonies at that time). The motive of Greta’s activity is also colonialism.

It is not the motive of Greta herself, but of some people behind her who want to profit and I don't know if it is the aim but it is all in all a fact that this course again colonialism.

2019-10-04 21:26:10

Gokh

gokhlayeh@pod.geraspora.de

Both the Nazis and Greta enjoyed the support of the Rothschilds:

Please don't use here any stereotypes. It was not any special group who bring us the capitalism, maybe the evangelic, but we all are part of this "game."

2019-10-04 21:30:19

Taschenlampe Müller

taschenlampe@despora.de

That SS-Poster is that something you made up? I am not aware that the SS has anything to say anymore, or do they?
So what you are saying is that reducing the emission of C02 by reducing western style consumerism is kind of nazi ideologie? And how exactly do you connect this "Thunberg-SS"-complex with the article I have posted? I really don't see any connection.

PS: I am not planing to ban you, I am actually enjoying your craziness :-D

2019-10-04 21:35:58

Gokh

gokhlayeh@pod.geraspora.de

When i am so detailed about this topic, the people of the West prefer to resort to censorship at this point. I do not judge anyone, i do not blame anyone, i simply state the reality i observe.

That O.K. for me, but I don't like the focusing of a special group (also nazis) nor time. We are all part of this game, me in a better position than you, but we are all not ask for our position. But we only can change something together.

And I agree with your criticism in a part of the FFF movement.

I also don't like the Greta hype, but please don't suggestive that Greta do all this only for here won benefit or the benefit of the western world. You can judge her for this. She try to make something better, that is not new, I think many children and youth want to change the world to be more social and equitable. They do this with a big enthusiasm. The problem is the monopolization of this girls.

2019-10-04 21:39:05

Gokh

gokhlayeh@pod.geraspora.de

When i am so detailed about this topic, the people of the West prefer to resort to censorship at this point. I do not judge anyone, i do not blame anyone, i simply state the reality i observe.

That O.K. for me, but I don’t like the focusing of a special group (also nazis) nor time. We are all part of this game, me in a better position than you, but we are all not ask for our position. But we only can change something together.

And I agree with your criticism in a part of the FFF movement.

I also don’t like the Greta hype, but please don’t suggestive that Greta do all this only for here own benefit or the benefit of the western world. You can't judge her for this. She try to make something better, that is not new, I think many children and youth want to change the world to be more social and equitable. They do this with a big enthusiasm. The problem is the monopolization of this girls.

2019-10-04 21:54:49

Gokh

gokhlayeh@pod.geraspora.de

Dinesh D’Souza…lol…yes, isnt he a Trump-fan and climate change denier ? :-)

Oh yeah, very interesting:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dinesh_D
'Souza

2019-10-04 22:00:07

ivan zlax

zlax@ussr.win

@Taschenlampe Müller

That SS-Poster is that something you made up? I am not aware that the SS has anything to say anymore, or do they?

From https://dailystormer.name/the-alt-right-firmly-supports-greta-thunberg/ :

Theaitetos (テアイテトス) wrote the following post Thu, 26 Sep 2019 17:20:20 +0300

The Alt-Right firmly supports Greta Thunberg

There has been an outpouring of support and sympathy for Greta Thunberg following her speech at the UN and all of her other recent shenanigans.

However, the fact of the matter is that we would not have Greta without the groundwork laid down by the Eco-Fascist movement that preceded her.

Alt-Right White Nationalists have been very vocal in their support for her ever since she started making headlines:

#dailystormer #europe #colonialism #nationalism #neocolonialism #propaganda #west

So what you are saying is that reducing the emission of C02 by reducing western style consumerism is kind of nazi ideologie?

Exactly. It is anti-sientific neocolonial propaganda.

And how exactly do you connect this "Thunberg-SS"-complex with the article I have posted?

This post about "The End of Anti-Fascism". I try to demonstrate modern Crypto-Fascism from the side of Western colonies.

2019-10-04 22:04:35

ivan zlax

zlax@ussr.win

@Gokh

It is not the motive of Greta herself, but of some people behind her who want to profit and I don't know if it is the aim but it is all in all a fact that this course again colonialism.

I know. It is the descendants of who collaborated with Nazis before (just ask - i will show the proofs about this Nazi connections):
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http://www.leparisien.fr/societe/greta-thunberg-se-rend-a-new-york-dans-un-bateau-tres-ecolo-mais-tres-cher-01-08-2019-8127084.php

But some critics are already pointing out inconsistencies: this boat that aims for zero emissions is what Tesla is to the car. That is to say, an expensive object, a technological gem and financially inaccessible for a large majority of people.
This sailboat built in 2015 by the Edmond de Rothschild was bought for several million euros by team of Malizia, the team captained by the vice-president of the Monaco Yacht Club, Pierre Casiraghi, Caroline de Monaco’s son.
Other critics point out that while Greta Thunberg’s speeches denounce the power of money, reality shows that ecological excellence, symbolized by this boat, requires significant financial support. Especially since the boat would be sponsored by BMW, a Swiss bank and the Principality of Monaco.
Greta Thunberg replied that this “Malizia team has sponsors, of course. But for this trip with me to New York, there is no commercial sponsors. All their logos have been removed. It is not about money or future payments. They offered me a free trip because they support my cause.”

Behind the science.

2019-10-04 22:09:11

ivan zlax

zlax@ussr.win

@Gokh

Please don't use here any stereotypes. It was not any special group who bring us the capitalism, maybe the evangelic, but we all are part of this "game."

Please don't use here any stereotypes. And read my words literally. If you not sure about of some of my words - just ask me.

Rothschild-Nazi connection:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balfour_Declaration
https://www.jstor.org/stable/2536016
https://www.jstor.org/stable/2536016

2019-10-04 22:24:36

ivan zlax

zlax@ussr.win

@Gokh

That O.K. for me, but I don't like the focusing of a special group (also nazis) nor time. We are all part of this game, me in a better position than you, but we are all not ask for our position. But we only can change something together.

I do not trust you. You not the first who told me that. I offer you test your sincerity. I have offered to enter into a dialogue or to cooperate dozens of times with Westerners (if not hundreds) last year. But each time the answer is censorship and irresponsibility. I can show you concrete examples.
I'm not losing hope i can meet someone different from most of the Westerners i've met so far. But i don't believe it, my experience shows me that there is little chance of that.
Please answer directly - will you let me ask you questions to check your sincerity?
The modern world order is based on the inherited privileges of the Westerners. I don't know any other way but to give up the inherited privileges of the Westerners to change this situation. If we do not focus on this, we will not be able to change the situation.

And I agree with your criticism in a part of the FFF movement.

If you need more information about her funding: http://www.wrongkindofgreen.org/2019/01/17/the-manufacturing-of-greta-thunberg-for-consent-the-political-economy-of-the-non-profit-industrial-complex/ - this is the most of detailed and proven analysis.

I also don’t like the Greta hype, but please don’t suggestive that Greta do all this only for here own benefit or the benefit of the western world. You can't judge her for this. She try to make something better, that is not new, I think many children and youth want to change the world to be more social and equitable. They do this with a big enthusiasm. The problem is the monopolization of this girls.

Usually, for these shows, they're handed over by their parents. Greta from the acting dynasty. Definitely, this is the merit of her mother (in the link above more details). As practice shows, such children then quickly move up the media-career ladder. Example - Susan Suzuki. After the performance she finished her demonstrative ecoactivism and started earning as a star.

2019-10-04 22:33:12

ivan zlax

zlax@ussr.win

Example - Susan Suzuki

Fix: Severn Cullis-Suzuki
It was the initiation of Kyoto Protocol:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xPx5r35Aymc
https://invidio.us/watch?v=xPx5r35Aymc
1992cc UN Earth Summit in Brazil
Today they need to prolongate it with proven and tested methods:
https://unfccc.int/topics/pre-2020
https://www.scmp.com/news/china/article/1100990/kyoto-protocol-extended-2020-fight-climate-change

Kyoto Protocol extended to 2020 to fight climate change
Published: 12:00am, 9 Dec, 2012

Additional materials about similar PR recruiting:
https://www.un.org/youthenvoy/2015/05/wanted-young-speaker-address-un-general-assembly-session-climate-change/
https://undp.shorthandstories.com/climate-change-warriors/index.html
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2019/09/08/ship-with-climate-change-warriors-caught-in-ice-warriors-evacuated/

2019-10-04 22:35:49

Gokh

gokhlayeh@pod.geraspora.de

It is not about money or future payments. They offered me a free trip because they support my cause.”

Here you can see that she is not aware of the appropriation. She is a young woman who believes that the whole world is made up of lies and hypocrisy in dealing with nature, but is not able to recognize the origin of this situation and behavior.

But how can she if she only gets support from all sides? Started by the parents.

Please let me say it again, it has nothing to do with Rothschild or anyone else, but simply with different interests.

So of course a strong group of lobbyists were already represented in the anti-nuclear movements, who noted their profitable products solar energy and wind power energy. Well, I haven't checked whether your remarks are correct, but that doesn't matter.

I agree with you that there are strong capitalist interests behind the movement.

I see the parallel with Nazis only in the use of funds. So also the Nazis used a certain form of propaganda. Both fascists and Nazis were very progressive in the mass movement. They knew how the human psyche works. But also the communists in many parts of the world used the same propaganda.

But are the movements the same?

No, mass manipulation has to be seen as a certain form, exactly like weapons. But is using the same weapons alone a sign of ideological similarity?

It may be that all of us here in Germany have not yet completely discarded many Nazi behaviors, but that should not be a reason for you to blame this from an elevated position (the one that doesn't belong to it).

We should not compare this world and the conditions in it with old stereotypes, but completely objectively and rationally. A materialistic view of things can do without these groups of classification. Money, i.e. capital and its circulation logic should be sufficient to explain all this.

If, however, you insist completely uselessly on using the same comparisons again and again and are no longer taken gravity by people for it, then you are no longer concerned with enlightenment but with personal motives, revenge or whatever. Too bad.

2019-10-04 23:56:35

ivan zlax

zlax@ussr.win

@Gokh

Here you can see that she is not aware of the appropriation. She is a young woman who believes that the whole world is made up of lies and hypocrisy in dealing with nature, but is not able to recognize the origin of this situation and behavior.

I translated these words from French into English to emphasize her hypocrisy or absolute foolishness, but not for to use it to justify her.

But how can she if she only gets support from all sides?

It is only because they sure of her:

Also worth mentioning is Izabella Nilsson Jarvandi, Greta's age-mate, who, like Grete, went out with a banner to the Swedish parliament to protest against globalism, LGBT propaganda and sexual perversion in Swedish schools, and to advocate for the protection of traditional family values and the fight against illegal immigration. Both girls are Swedish, both very young, and both have tough demands. But for some reason, one girl is internationally known and promoted by the media, social networks and appears on political stages. And the other one does not. And the answer is one: Greta is a propaganda tool, and Isabella is an obstacle to this propaganda, so one is applauded and the other is ignored. Greta is politically correct, Isabella is wrong. Greta will be promote with all her might, and Isabella will be ignored with all her might.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EgvLvG6eZyA
https://invidio.us/watch?v=EgvLvG6eZyA
They promote and help only those who promote the agendas that benefit them.

They knew how the human psyche works. But also the communists in many parts of the world used the same propaganda.
But are the movements the same?

Both was developed in Germany:
http://www.classicsandclass.info/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/Ahuvia-2010.pdf
This is the two sides of one coin.

ivan zlax wrote the following post Mon, 03 Dec 2018 13:57:02 +0300

April 9, 1917. The warrant of Russian political émigrés of Switzerland – participants of travel through Germany is that they know the conditions of travel and they undertake to comply with them.

9 April 1917. Der Erhalt russischer politischer Emigranten der Schweiz – Teilnehmer an Reisen durch Deutschland ist, dass sie die Reisebedingungen kennen und sich verpflichten, diese einzuhalten.

27 марта (9 апреля) 1917 г. Расписка русских политэмигрантов Швейцарии – участников проезда через Германию в том, что им известны условия проезда и они обязуются их выполнять.

#history #Switzerland #Deutschalnd #Russia #ussr #1917cc #conspiracy #revolution #documents #lang_ru

No, mass manipulation has to be seen as a certain form, exactly like weapons. But is using the same weapons alone a sign of ideological similarity?

Yes. Modern nationalism is Franko-German invention.

It may be that all of us here in Germany have not yet completely discarded many Nazi behaviors, but that should not be a reason for you to blame this from an elevated position (the one that doesn't belong to it).

I do not blame anybody. Please do not read it in this way. I just share information what i could confirm with official documents or verifiable sources.

And also i ask you be responsible:
Please answer directly - will you let me ask you questions to check your sincerity?

2019-10-04 23:58:44

ivan zlax

zlax@ussr.win

Yes. Modern nationalism is Franko-German invention.

Yes. Modern nationalism is French-German invention - i mean.

2019-10-05 00:07:25

Gokh

gokhlayeh@pod.geraspora.de

And also i ask you be responsible: Please answer directly - will you let me ask you questions to check your sincerity?

I don't want to be tested. We all do not know each other. We do not know whether machine or human. We are confronted here only with the pure screamed words.

As I tried to show above. You can understand history in such a way that there is a certain breed of people who wants to oppress and exploit others. Just as you do, in my opinion, by drawing parallels with Nazis over and over again.

Or you can look at history as the history of the imperfect human, where it seems to stretch in the nature of human to stand above others and abuse them.

Although I am undoubtedly convinced of the latter, I am nevertheless of the opinion that human under the right conditions can put aside this tyranny and see equality and cooperation as the highest ideal.

Translated with www.DeepL.com/Translator

2019-10-05 00:07:57

Gokh

gokhlayeh@pod.geraspora.de

And also i ask you be responsible: Please answer directly - will you let me ask you questions to check your sincerity?

I don’t want to be tested. We all do not know each other. We do not know whether machine or human. We are confronted here only with the pure screamed words.

As I tried to show above. You can understand history in such a way that there is a certain breed of people who wants to oppress and exploit others. Just as you do, in my opinion, by drawing parallels with Nazis over and over again.

Or you can look at history as the history of the imperfect human, where it seems to stretch in the nature of human to stand above others and abuse them.

Although I am undoubtedly convinced of the latter, I am nevertheless of the opinion that human under the right conditions can put aside this tyranny and see equality and cooperation as the highest ideal.

2019-10-05 00:19:41

ivan zlax

zlax@ussr.win

@Gokh

I don’t want to be tested.

Ok. That's mean you want to hide something, for me that's mean you are lied about "But we only can change something together". You not ready to cooperate or not ready to change something.

You can understand history in such a way that there is a certain breed of people who wants to oppress and exploit others. Just as you do, in my opinion, by drawing parallels with Nazis over and over again.

This your opinion is just your personal projection or trying to insult. I do no want to oppress and exploit others.

Although I am undoubtedly convinced of the latter, I am nevertheless of the opinion that human under the right conditions can put aside this tyranny and see equality and cooperation as the highest ideal.

But unfortunately, it's not you. And not all the other irresponsible Westerners with whom i tried to enter into an equal dialogue. You just refuse to communicate on an equal footing. Attempts to insult, irresponsibility and censorship are all you can tell me in return. But i just don't accept your values. Refusing to accept your values is an insult for you. You do not think that your empowerment attempts is perceived as well from the other side. I think you didn't want to change the situation and you didn't want to cooperate, you just wanted to wrap me in your values.

2019-10-05 00:27:20

Gokh

gokhlayeh@pod.geraspora.de

Attempts to insult, irresponsibility and censorship are all you can tell me in return.

Do you dreaming? Or where you see this?

For me you are very mundane and common. You want to make you to a vicitm of others. I think there is not much special about that.

2019-10-05 00:36:59

ivan zlax

zlax@ussr.win

@Gokh

Do you dreaming? Or where you see this?

people who wants to oppress and exploit others. Just as you do, in my opinion, by drawing parallels with Nazis over and over again.
In your opinion i want to oppress and exploit others when i share information, that i could prove with sources. It's either your personal projection or an attempt to offend. I don't know any other reason for such a statement.

For me you are very mundane and common. You want to make you to a vicitm of others. I think there is not much special about that.

Please read carefully what i wrote before:
I do not blame anybody. Please do not read it in this way. I just share information what i could confirm with official documents or verifiable sources.
Your statement sounds like an attempt to demonstrate superiority to me. I am completely open, ready to answer any question, to justify any of my claims. I say I don't blame anyone. But after that, you still insist on your projection of me. It's a reflexive psychic reaction of personal projection or an attempt to offend again. I don't know any other reason for such a statement.

2019-10-05 00:50:31

Gokh

gokhlayeh@pod.geraspora.de

Okay, there's no point, you put a word in your mouth that nobody said. :(

I wrote:

As I tried to show above. You can understand history in such a way that there is a certain breed of people who wants to oppress and exploit others. Just as you do, in my opinion, by drawing parallels with Nazis over and over again.

and not

people who wants to oppress and exploit others. Just as you do, in my opinion, by drawing parallels with Nazis over and over again.

I didn't point to you, but to your understanding of history.

You give best examples of the a historical special role of Germany, nazis, and against German or Rothschilds, etc. So you make a special group to devil of the world.

So as I wrote:;

You can understand history in such a way that there is a certain breed of people who wants to oppress and exploit others

But this is not my understanding of the history. The behavior of suppressing other groups is not limited to any particular region, group or people. Everyone, humanity as a whole, has the negative potential.

But O.K. many thanks for this dialogue, my necessity of this kind of interaction is fulfilled for today.

2019-10-05 02:51:52

ivan zlax

zlax@ussr.win

@Gokh

I didn't point to you, but to your understanding of history.

Sorry i misunderstand it in this case. Anyway this is trying to declare my "wrong understanding of history". Apparently, it's an attempt to claim that your vision of history is more effective.

You give best examples of the a historical special role of Germany, nazis, and against German or Rothschilds, etc.

Yes.

So you make a special group to devil of the world.

No.

But this is not my understanding of the history. The behavior of suppressing other groups is not limited to any particular region, group or people. Everyone, humanity as a whole, has the negative potential.

No. It is a believing based on Social-Darwinist basis.
I prefer Social-Kropotkonist model of evolution, it is much more scientific explained: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gegenseitige_Hilfe_in_der_Tier-_und_Menschenwelt
For me: Everyone, humanity as a whole, has the positive potential.

But O.K. many thanks for this dialogue, my necessity of this kind of interaction is fulfilled for today.

I can't tell you the same thing.

2019-10-05 03:43:05

Gokh

gokhlayeh@pod.geraspora.de

So,you are wrong again about my position. I don't know much of the ideas oof Kropotkonist, but I am a supporter of the idea of reciprocal egoism, which is not the same than reciprocal altruism, because it is much more.

And when I say the tyranny is a part of the human potential, I dind't say that this potential have to be get real. .

For me: Everyone, humanity as a whole, has the positive potential.

I said exactly the same.

that human under the right conditions can put aside this tyranny and see equality and cooperation as the highest ideal.

And the reciprocal egoism is the mainspring for all this. Every person is important for every other person in a group. So it is interest of every person in this group that all other person be healthy and happy.

2019-10-07 21:47:41

ivan zlax

zlax@ussr.win

@Gokh

I am a supporter of the idea of reciprocal egoism,

This is subform of Social Darwinism. Here you could see how you was been constructed: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DnPmg0R1M04

which is not the same than reciprocal altruism, because it is much more.

Of course it is much more for you, descendant of colonialist. But it is much less for people, at whose expense you can be selfish.

I said exactly the same.

No. You said:
But this is not my understanding of the history. The behavior of suppressing other groups is not limited to any particular region, group or people. Everyone, humanity as a whole, has the negative potential.
Looks like you're already turning down your own words.

And the reciprocal egoism is the mainspring for all this.

No.

Every person is important for every other person in a group.

Exactly. Your group - your locals, relatives, politicians etc. People from Ghana or Congo is not your group.

So it is interest of every person in this group that all other person be healthy and happy.

Exactly. You are very happy in the West. You've outsource all your formaldehyde production, taking care of your group: https://www.olvz.be/sites/default/files/diensten/Pathologischeontleedkunde/the_ban_on_formaldehyde_in_europe.pdf

2019-10-07 22:00:46

Gokh

gokhlayeh@pod.geraspora.de

Kropotkin's ideas anticipate the now recognized importance of mutualism (a beneficial relationship between two different species) and altruism (when one member of a species aids another) in biology. Examples of altruism in animals include kin selection and reciprocal altruism. Douglas H. Boucher places Kropotkin's book as a precursor to the development of the biological theory of altruism.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mutual_Aid:_A_Factor_of_Evolution

2019-10-07 22:18:37

ivan zlax

zlax@ussr.win

@Gokh well done, but i think you posted that quote as a self-promotion. Like as the unfounded statement above, which you are not ready to confirm. That quote doesn't override the fact that you're supporting Western supremacy in fact. But in words you are very good and very kind. But in deeds - you are exactly the same as most Westerners (not responsible for your words and deeds)

2019-10-07 22:30:03

Gokh

gokhlayeh@pod.geraspora.de

qui sine peccato est vestrum primus in illam lapidem mittat

2019-10-07 23:10:44

ivan zlax

zlax@ussr.win

@Gokh я апостол эридизма. Я могу бросить в тебя, да и в любого другого, не камень, а какаху:
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2019-10-07 23:14:58

ivan zlax

zlax@ussr.win

@Gokh ego ut iacerent in vobis, et tu fili homo