wah wha wah... all of human history is the story of one group struggling against another.
That is the nature of the natural world.
So why should "whotes" or "westerners" or whoever you blame feel bad that they were the best at it?
Because the Westerners continue this conquest until now. Only if before they used gunpowder guns (against arrows), today they use PR.
If you believe all of history was faked 100-150 years ago, than how can you so sure of this narrative of western colonialist history?
It's not like colonialism or exploitation are uniquely western features.
It's not like colonialism or exploitation are uniquely western features. What were the Aztecs doing in Mexico and South America before the Europeans came to visit them? They were enslaving their neighbors and tearing their hearts out in bloody sacrifices atop their pagan temples. Unless ofcourse you would prefer to believe that that was falsified western history.
I'm sure all the indians were living peacefully in a blissful utopia before the evil western colonizers came.
But a bigger question Ivan, is how you can justify using the products of the evil western colonialists?
Here we are communicating on computers through the internet. All this made possible by the west!
All this made possible by the west! In fact, you can credit the west for every technology you take for granted invented since the industrial revolution.
From flush toilets to bicycles, automobiles and airplanes, and all manner of electrical conveniences. All that stuff you and everyone else on this planet takes for granted, you can thank the west.
It’s not like colonialism or exploitation are uniquely western features.
I won’t waste my time trying to convince you.
Of course you prefer to believe the history of the Aztecs and indians was falsified where it doesn't suit your narrative. Well that's convenient for you and I won't waste my time trying to convince you.
The industrial revolution is a western event, along with nearly all technologies invented as a result. That's un disputable. Computers were invented by the west, and so was the internet. Your claim that the soviets actually invented the internet was kinda weak, but even if it was true you just stated in another thread that the soviets were the west anyway.
My religion strictly forbids me believe anything.
I will quote myself in this case:Fans of Western European hegemony often resort to history (especially of ancient Rome) to justify their privileged...
I have seen you make this statement before. I interpret this as a discordian trick. I am either to believe you don't believe in anything you say, or you are provoking an argument on semantics. So I'm inclined to let this bait dangle. I'm only saying this to explain myself.
There are at least two problems with this. The first is that (again) since the claim is made that all of history has been faked, then your argument becomes something like: "no the history you know is a lie,
here read my true history and you will see that I am right."
If we just accept this then any argument can be won with by saying this. And in practice this is little different then what you are claiming the fake historians have done to us.
Just take computers as an example, who invented them and where were they invented?
Well that's just one thing, you can't say there is anything special about "the west" for inventing that one thing, right?
Well fine, how about automobiles, airplanes, lightbulbs, telephones, radios, etc...
Who invented all that and where were they invented?
There is enough sources of written history from these times that claiming this history was all falsified is dubious.
Please show me some written source from 1500 years ago, or at least 1000 years ago, that you consider authoritative.
Just take computers as an example, who invented them and where were they invented? mankind
So when people of the west do something good, like inventing technologies we all have the luxury of taking for granted,
you attribute this to the doings of “mankind.” Yet when people of the west have done something of which you disapprove, like say say colonialism for example, then you attribute this to the monolithic western colonialists. This sort of logic is called double standard.
I don’t have to go back that far, I’m talking about inventions made since the industrial revolution here. There are ample sources from this time on, and although individually they may be suspect, when taken together we can surmise a good idea of what transpired, by who and where.
how convenient. When history doesn't fit ivan's narrative, he obfuscates it through generalization.
Devices have been used to aid computation for thousands of years, mostly using one-to-one correspondence with fingers. The earliest counting device was probably a form of tally stick. Later record keeping aids throughout the Fertile Crescent included calculi (clay spheres, cones, etc.) which represented counts of items, probably livestock or grains, sealed in hollow unbaked clay containers. The use of counting rods is one example. The abacus was initially used for arithmetic tasks. The Roman abacus was developed from devices used in Babylonia as early as 2400 BC. Since then, many other forms of reckoning boards or tables have been invented. In a medieval European counting house, a checkered cloth would be placed on a table, and markers moved around on it according to certain rules, as an aid to calculating sums of money.The Antikythera mechanism is believed to be the earliest mechanical analog "computer", according to Derek J. de Solla Price. It was designed to calculate astronomical positions. It was discovered in 1901 in the Antikythera wreck off the Greek island of Antikythera, between Kythera and Crete, and has been dated to c. 100 BC. Devices of a level of complexity comparable to that of the Antikythera mechanism would not reappear until a thousand years later.
Technology is a luxury for you. For the majority of the world’s population, this is a burden. An attempt to build a global electronic concentration camp on blood and tears of your colonies.
But last two centuries West is the only colonizer of the whole World. Now only West or Western agents in occupied governments try to colonize others.
I will quote official English position about history of computers in this case: tally sticks and the abacus
tally sticks and the abacus
Gimme a break, this is ridiculous. Listen to yourself. I have no colonies, I didn't colonize anyone.
What are you even doing here on diaspora?
I assume you have a computer or some mobile device to log on, do you have internet at your house?
A bunch of electronic conveniences to make your life a bit easier?
Don't try to turn this all around on me, you are not arguing in good faith.
You want me to feel shame because of my so called "western colonialist privilege" while I am to believe you are suffering in the ghetto with only a bowl, a stick and a tattered blanket because of the evil colonialists?
Seriously no one is buying what you're selling.
Just off the top of my head, without even looking we have the Chinese occupation of Tibet.
Also what was Russia doing in Afghanistan?
Nevermind, in another thread you told me China and Russia are actually "the west" too.
It seems to you "the west" is a very broad and general term for evil regardless of who is doing it.
At this rate if aliens from another planet were to invade Earth, you would call that western colonialism as well.
Plus, I know you are all about the Discordian religion, so when the debate gets as ridiculous as this I really start to wonder if you're not just yanking my chain.
So with that said, unless you have something new or more interesting to add, I'm going to stop responding to this thread. Don't take it personal Ivan, I'm sure I'll talk to you again. Peace out.
WASHINGTON — For much of the 1960s, the CIA provided the Tibetan exile movement with $1.7 million a year for operations against China, including an annual subsidy of $180,000 for the Dalai Lama, according to newly released U.S. intelligence documents.The money for the Tibetans and the Dalai Lama was part of the CIA's worldwide effort during the height of the Cold War to undermine Communist governments, particularly in the Soviet Union and China. In fact, the U.S. government committee that approved the Tibetan operations also authorized the disastrous Bay of Pigs invasion of Cuba.The documents, published last month by the State Department, illustrate the historical background of the situation in Tibet today, in which China continues to accuse the Dalai Lama of being an agent of foreign forces seeking to separate Tibet from China.The CIA's program encompassed support of Tibetan guerrillas in Nepal, a covert military training site in Colorado, "Tibet Houses" established to promote Tibetan causes in New York and Geneva, education for Tibetan operatives at Cornell University and supplies for reconnaissance teams.
ВАШИНГТОН. В течение 1960-х годов ЦРУ предоставляло тибетскому движению в изгнании 1,7 миллиона долларов в год для операций против Китая, включая ежегодную субсидию в размере 180 тысяч долларов лично для Далай-ламы, согласно недавно опубликованным документам разведки США.Деньги для тибетцев и Далай-ламы были частью всемирных усилий ЦРУ в разгар холодной войны подорвать коммунистические правительства, особенно в Советском Союзе и Китае. Фактически, правительственный комитет США, который одобрил тибетские операции, также санкционировал вторжение в заливе Кубы.Документы, опубликованные Государственным департаментом, иллюстрируют исторический фон сегодняшней ситуации в Тибете, когда Китай продолжает обвинять Далай-ламу в том, что он является агентом иностранных сил, стремящихся отделить Тибет от Китая.Программа ЦРУ включала поддержку тибетских партизан в Непале, секретный военный полигон в Колорадо, «Тибетские дома», созданные для пропаганды тибетских целей в Нью-Йорке и Женеве, обучение тибетских оперативников в Корнельском университете и поставки для разведывательных команд.
The Dalai Lama imposed a tax on everything, even on his ears. That is, those who wanted his ears to remain, had to be paid, otherwise they were cut off.Many slaves were cut out of their eyes or severed their legs not because of disobedience, but for security reasons
That is, those who wished that his ears were left with the owner, had to pay a tax, on the other they cut off.
There were handcuffs of all sizes, including tiny toddler, tools for cutting noses and ears, breaking arms and legs Hamstring.
Далай-лама наложил налог на все, даже на уши. То есть тем, кто хотел, чтобы его уши остались, пришлось заплатить, иначе их отрезали.Многие рабы вырезали себя глаза или отрезали себе ноги не из-за непослушания, а по соображениям безопасности.То есть те, кто желал, чтобы его уши были оставлены у хозяина, должны были платить налог, с другого они отрезали.Были наручники всех размеров, включая крошечного малыша, инструменты для срезания носа и ушей, ломки рук и ног, подколенного сухожилия.