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Aktivist*innen haben sich an den Händen miteinander verklebt. Polizisten prüfen, ob sie die Hände lösen können. Während der Blockade des Eingangs und der Tiefgarage des Hotels Adlon durch die Letzte Generation während des World LNG Summits. Berlin, <br />12.12.2024

2024-12-12 22:11:09

stefanmuelller@climatejustice.social

7/ Aktivist*innen der #LetzteGeneration haben sich an den Händen miteinander verklebt. Polizisten prüfen, ob sich die Hände lösen lassen.

#Adlon #Berlin #WorldLNGSummit

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2024-12-15 09:48:06

ivan zlax

zlax@ussr.win

@Doug Webb , @Stefan Müller :verified: Klima-Jugend in ihrem eigenen Stil.

The Germans are going through another phase of climate care. There better be no luck in this neocolonial initiative of yours.

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2024-12-15 13:55:34

Doug Webb

douginamug@mastodon.xyz

@zlax bro what are you talking about

I appreciate you liked my calendar-wheel diagram years ago, but I really don't appreciate your periodic, bad-faith and ungrounded snarks

talk or stop or block

2024-12-16 08:15:25

ivan zlax

zlax@ussr.win

@Doug Webb

bro what are you talking about

As a resident of your raw resource colony, i say bluntly: irresponsible promotion of a neo-colonial climate change agenda does you no honour. Sure, it's fashionable and norm for youth in the West, but here, outside your colonial metropolises, this policy threatens living things. The poster above is a demonstration that there is nothing new in your agenda - it is a regular Nazi tradition:
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It's a mediocre Western tradition:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animal_welfare_in_Nazi_Germany
Moreover, the European Greens, in whose interests your climate promotion works: were founded by real Nazis:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baldur_Springmann

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Werner_Vogel_(Politiker)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfred_Mechtersheimer
etc etc

From the outside you are not much different from your ancestors in this matter. You're probably already sincere to genocide, for the sake of ‘your’ ideas (about saving the climate):
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https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/population-decline-will-change-the-world-for-the-better/

2024-12-16 13:04:05

Doug Webb

douginamug@mastodon.xyz

@zlax Look, I am an anarchist. I reject the choice between green prison and liberated wasteland.

I guess you are talking about how the mainstream thinks that green = "green growth", electric cars, etc. In my mind, the global North/West absolutely needs to consume way less and, like you say, stop being the worlds jailers.

Interesting points about the nazi -> Greens history. Not surprising, hope they've distanced themselves, but also: the green party in Germany suck. Pretty sure they're not...

2024-12-16 13:11:54

Doug Webb

douginamug@mastodon.xyz

@zlax ...much better elsewhere. (P.s. I am not German?)

In any case: bad people holding an idea does not make that idea bad. Ideas must be talked about on their own merit, not attacked ad hominem, and you are smart enough to know that.

Which bit of the climate "agenda" do you take issues with? (I take issue with the overwhelming focus on CO2, although I think it very serious) Also interested to hear about your climate activism more generally.

Ha ha, I wish I got paid for my posts!!

2024-12-16 13:17:28

Doug Webb

douginamug@mastodon.xyz

@zlax so, let this be proof to you that I am not here just to "talk to my own".

If you want to continue please assume a bit more good faith, make less personal assumptions about me (my ideas, my personal history, nationality, etc). Oh, and the nazi refs. You broke Godwin's law, and now I have to mention them too... just don't, unless it is truly, causally relevant.

I am actually a bit curious to know how you went from climate activist, to thinking that a LNG conference is good 🤔

2024-12-16 21:43:53

ivan zlax

zlax@ussr.win

@Doug Webb

I am actually a bit curious to know how you went from climate activist, to thinking that a LNG conference is good 🤔

It may come as a shock to you. I'll tell you how disappointed i am with this agenda: at a secret anarcho-primitivist fest in the woods on the Oka River, i met a veteran of local movement. I used to hear many times about dubious grants (from critics of the climate movement), but i didn't believe it, i thought it was fiction, because i was judging by myself - after all, i was doing everything sincerely, not to make money, but for the sake of the idea. I asked this well-known person in tight circles to see if the critics were wrong..... And he began to be embarrassed, to justify himself, to say that he received almost nothing from this US fund, everything was taken by the main leader. I couldn't even think that this was true, if someone else had told me this about them. And they called themselves anarchists. After that, i began to research the topic with purpose. At a certain point i became familiar with fringe areas of science, which made me completely rethink my ideas about the world based on western mass culture.

The fact is that the modern Western worldview is based on a religious foundation of uniformity, developed in Britain, has prevailed in scientific circles as the ideological basis of the universe. One of its most famous proponents was the parishioner at St Mary's Anglican Church, the Bachelor of Arts and Doctor of Laws Charles Darwin. A century and a half ago, the Theory of Uniformity was only one of the theories, and academic circles were debating its validity and considering alternative theories. In fact, it is not only an important foundation of trying to stop climate change, but also a component of social darwinism.

2024-12-16 21:19:17

ivan zlax

zlax@ussr.win

@Doug Webb

In any case: bad people holding an idea does not make that idea bad. Ideas must be talked about on their own merit, not attacked ad hominem, and you are smart enough to know that.

I completely agree. It may be that climate change is a good idea for you, but in neocolonialism, it only benefits you, not the majority of the population of this planet. Alexander King's (one of the developers of the concept of sustainable development) book, The First Global Revolution, stated:

“The common enemy of humanity is man. In searching for a new enemy against whom we can unite, we came up with the idea that pollution, the threat of global warming, water shortages, famine and the like, would fit the bill… All these dangers are caused by human intervention, and it is only through changed attitudes and behaviour that they can be overcome. The real enemy then is humanity itself.” (p.75)

This ideology is justified to you, but to the majority of the population it is simply destructive.

Which bit of the climate "agenda" do you take issues with?

Probably all of it. It's all based on deception. You know about photosynthesis? Do you, for example, know about climate change in the Aral Sea? If not, i'll show clearly how it demonstrates the failure of the entire climate change agenda with these examples.

Also interested to hear about your climate activism more generally.

I have cloned and planted over 10,000 shrubs and trees in total. I organised the first collection point for used batteries in my region (voluntary, non-profit, years later they started opening up such collection points in big shopping centres). Well these are a couple of specific examples, of course there were other things, including other recycling experiences. All of this was done pro bono, without any grants.

2024-12-16 21:03:19

ivan zlax

zlax@ussr.win

@Doug Webb

Look, I am an anarchist.

I too hold anarchist views, it's traditional in my tribe, Vyatichi (perhaps you have heard about these famous natives of the Vyatichi land: Kropotkin, Bakunin, Tolstoy)

I guess you are talking about how the mainstream thinks that green = "green growth", electric cars, etc. In my mind, the global North/West absolutely needs to consume way less and, like you say, stop being the worlds jailers.

So-called ‘Renewable Energy’ is only part of the climate agenda. It is a purposefully designed ideology that also includes the dubious concepts of a carbon tax and reducing the human population (many times over) as examples. In my opinion, it is also important to note that oil tycoons developed and promote this ideology.

The very concept of ‘climate change’ was developed by Strong oil baron:

https://web.archive.org/web/20151207214512/http://www.telegraph.co.uk:80/news/earth/paris-climate-change-conference/12035401/Farewell-to-the-man-who-invented-climate-change.html

The oil tycoon Getty family is #JustStopOil largest donor:

https://www.theartnewspaper.com/2022/10/21/getty-oil-heiress-funds-climate-crisis-activism-just-stop-oil

I should mention the Rockefellers - they are the biggest investors in this ideology from the beginning:

DAVID ROCKEFELLER FUND
The David Rockefeller Fund supports organizations developing innovative ideas for climate change policymaking.
ROCKEFELLER BROTHERS FUND
RBF takes a broad approach to climate change, funding a variety of approaches to this challenge. And it's not afraid of getting involved in a political fight.
ROCKEFELLER FAMILY FUND
Recently, RFF's environmental program has focused almost exclusively on climate change. That said, other environmental projects have received support, as well. This funder is often drawn to smaller groups doing policy and advocacy work with national implications.
ROCKEFELLER FOUNDATION
The Rockefeller Foundation is tackling climate change from multiple angles, including backing high-profile policy work, scaling up clean energy infrastructure in rural communities, and adapting to the inevitable effects of climate change.

etc etc

Please don't forget whose interests you are acting in when you participate in pushing the agenda they have developed.

2024-12-16 08:27:06

ivan zlax

zlax@ussr.win

@Doug Webb

I appreciate you liked my calendar-wheel diagram years ago, but I really don't appreciate your periodic, bad-faith and ungrounded snarks

I'd say with a lack of faith, but perfectly grounded. I used to believe wholeheartedly in the climate agenda, i used to be a climate activist, but then i lost faith when i learnt about who came up with all this and for what purpose. I have insider information on this issue. Please specify which of my statements you have doubts about: i will substantiate them in detail with appropriate references.

In general, i will clarify that modern western climate activists receive financial rewards for their actions. Huge sums of money are regularly paid out to nourish your climate faith. Tell me please, do you get rewarded for your reposts for promoting climate change agenda?

https://web.archive.org/web/20200714074718/https://www.insidephilanthropy.com/fundraising-for-climate-change

Or are you participating in this for free, just genuinely believing the climate agenda in the mainstream media?

talk or stop or block

Oh, that's probably why you came to the fediverse: to block out the disgruntled voices of the inhabitants of your colonies. It's so in keeping with the traditions of your ancestors.

Klima-Jugend in ihrem eigenen Stil.