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2019-09-18 15:48:20

ivan zlax

zlax@ussr.win

English wiki: 2.1-3 million

Portuguese wiki: 3-4.5 million

Vietnamese wiki: more than 5 million

Russian wiki: 4-9 million

Tamil wiki: 20-40 million

This is not the only similar case in this region.
Это не единственный подобный прецендент в этом регионе.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Bengal_famine_of_1770

The famine is estimated to have caused the deaths of about 10 million people.[2] Warren Hastings's 1772 report estimated that a third of the population in the affected region starved to death.[3]
Consequences: The revenues of British East India Company dropped to £174,300 due to the famine. Tax collection was carried out violently to make up for losses.[1]

По оценкам, от голода погибло около 10 миллионов человек. [2] В отчете Уоррена Гастингса за 1772 год указывается, что треть населения пострадавшего региона умерла от голода [3].
Последствия: доходы Британской Ост-Индской компании упали до 174 300 фунтов стерлингов из-за голода. Сбор налогов осуществлялся насильственно, чтобы компенсировать убытки. [1]

#asia #bengal #colonialism #documents #famine #history #india #humanism #memory #revision #uk

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2019-09-18 15:52:03

ivan zlax

zlax@ussr.win

https://winstonchurchill.org/resources/in-the-media/churchill-in-the-news/bengali-famine/

“Churchill is our hero because of his leadership in World War 2,” Polya writes, “but his immense crimes, notably the WW2 Bengali Holocaust, the 1943-1945 Bengal Famine in which Churchill murdered 6-7 million Indians, have been deleted from history by extraordinary Anglo-American and Zionist Holocaust Denial.”
Mr. Polya begins by dismissing all historians who disagree with him as Anglo-American and Zionist propagandists, including official biographer Sir Martin Gilbert—who, since it’s always a good idea to question the accused, we asked for comment. “Churchill was not responsible for the Bengal Famine,” Sir Martin replied. “I have been searching for evidence for years: none has turned up. The 1944 Document volume of the official biography [Hillsdale College Press] will resolve this issue finally.”

2019-09-18 15:57:10

ivan zlax

zlax@ussr.win

@Sandy Ao, i don't trust British data. Please, tell me, can i rely on Tamil data on this issue?
What do old people say about this?

2019-09-19 04:19:23

Wolf

wolf@podricing.pw

It's very interesting seeing the regional discrepancies in figures like this. Obviously what happened happened, but history as we know it is a field of study. So it is both somewhat theoretical and at the same time tends to be very political. Different sources will have their own bias and some may tend to down play the number of dead, while others may tend to over estimate. With large numbers of dead like this, any figure they come up with could only be an estimate. If there is good census data from before and after that would be a good place to start looking, but in times of termoil and mass starvation, often accurate record keeping is the least of their concern, as well as the record keeping may be less than accurate on purpose if certain parties are trying to avoid responsibility.

This was an interesting post, sorry I couldn't be more helpful.

2019-09-19 05:05:42

syntaktis

https://mastodon.social/users/syntaktis

@zlax
Churchill or no Churchill, the British had plenty of years in advance to prepare for such a scenario. But... what do aristocrats care about peasants? Periodic famines are a common theme when aristocrats are in power.
"Who cares about them? Look at them filthy. They bread like rabbits. They brought it to themselves. Might as well... after all, it helps to keep them down. They are incompetent of ruling themselves. Imagine they got in power. Ha, ha...that would be the day."
#history

2019-09-19 12:20:44

ivan zlax

zlax@ussr.win

@syntaktis, i've decided to pay attention to this, because of the size of the British systematically understatement of the number of victims. English sources of information underestimate the number of deaths, not by 2 or 3 times, but by 10-15 times. In doing so, look at how the English language media promote Jewish Holocaust (which took place at about the same time elsewhere in Eurasia). As if the Jews were the highest race, and the Bengalis were biological garbage, which should not be mentioned. I see this as a manifestation of Western hypocrisy. I'm against such double standards.

2019-09-19 14:59:18

Wolf

wolf@podricing.pw

Yes there is definetly a double standard when it comes to the holocaust. And the evidence for it is so shaky that they had to make it illegal for people to question it or properly investigate it. But I think you're wrong in your ascertain that this is a strictly western or "english language" thing. The Russians are involved with perpetuating the holohoax as well.

2019-09-19 15:27:19

ivan zlax

zlax@ussr.win

@Wolf

The Russians are involved with perpetuating the holohoax as well.

Not Russians. But Soviets:
6 millions of Jewish Holocaust victims consists on from 1/3 to 1/2 Soviet Jews mainly from BelarusSSR and UkraineSSR.
But look on it:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_casualties#Human_losses_by_country
Civilian deaths due to war-related famine and disease of USSR - 8-9M.
Civilian deaths due to war-related famine and disease of China - 5-10M.
(this official data, i think it was understatement)
Civilian deaths.
Actually in this war the genocide of Chinese, Bengalis and Slavs (not only Eastern Slavs, but also Southern and Western Slavs) has been spent. That's just what i can confirm with information from official multi-lingual sources.
But in the West, they prefer not to notice it, because it's not so profitable.

2019-09-19 15:31:49

Wolf

wolf@podricing.pw

Whether you want to call the state Russia or Soviet it doesn't change my argument. The perpetuation of the holohoax is not exclusively "wester" or "English language" unless you want to consider Soviet Russia to be western and "english language."

You seem to be preoccupied with blaming everything bad on "the west" but this is one of the cases where it doesn't work.

2019-09-19 15:46:52

ivan zlax

zlax@ussr.win

@Wolf

Whether you want to call the state Russia or Soviet it doesn't change my argument. The perpetuation of the holohoax is not exclusively "wester" or "English language" unless you want to consider Soviet Russia to be western and "english language."

No. It's important, Russia was a German state. The Soviet Union was a Jewish state on the German will:

ivan zlax wrote the following post Mon, 03 Dec 2018 13:57:02 +0300

April 9, 1917. The warrant of Russian political émigrés of Switzerland – participants of travel through Germany is that they know the conditions of travel and they undertake to comply with them.

9 April 1917. Der Erhalt russischer politischer Emigranten der Schweiz – Teilnehmer an Reisen durch Deutschland ist, dass sie die Reisebedingungen kennen und sich verpflichten, diese einzuhalten.

27 марта (9 апреля) 1917 г. Расписка русских политэмигрантов Швейцарии – участников проезда через Германию в том, что им известны условия проезда и они обязуются их выполнять.

#history #Switzerland #Deutschalnd #Russia #ussr #1917y #conspiracy #revolution #documents #lang_ru

The one you call Russians is actually the Soviet nomenclature, consisting mainly of Jews, they were a privileged minority in the USSR. If you had said "Soviet", i wouldn't have to specify it.

You seem to be preoccupied with blaming everything bad on "the west" but this is one of the cases where it doesn't work.

It works in any cases. Probably because you identify yourself with the people of the West, you take my words with offense. But i don't try to blame or offend the people of the West when i talk about the crimes of the Western feudals and governments.

2019-09-19 16:15:08

Wolf

wolf@podricing.pw

I find these claims that Russia was actually a German state to be quite janky. I have seen much evidence to suggest that it was mainly jews behind the Soviets, but this suggestion that the Soviet state was “on the German will,” (whatever that means,) also seems pretty sketchy.

2019-09-19 17:17:08

Theaitetos (テアイテトス)

theaitetus@russiandiaspora.org

Yeah, but you can't argue with ivan over this. I tried. Just as these images of his are totally worthless; they're the equivalent to signing entry papers when traveling to the US.

2019-09-19 17:56:21

ivan zlax

zlax@ussr.win

I find these claims that Russia was actually a German state to be quite janky.

First, when i speak of German influence, i speak of German feudal influence. The British feudal clan was named the Saxon-Coburg-Gothic dynasty 102 years ago. This should not be forgotten - only in 1917cc, the German feudal lords of Britain declared themselves English Windsors.
About Russian Impire:

ivan zlax wrote the following post Fri, 07 Jun 2019 16:56:17 +0300

According to British and Russian museums, Nicholas II Romanoff was an honorary commander of the regiment of Royal Scots Greys (Royal North British Dragoons) in the service of Her Majesty.
Согласно данным британских и российских музеев, Николай II Романов был Почётным командиром полка Шотландских Гвардейских драгун (Серые) (Royal North British Dragoons) на службе её Величества:
Image/photo

(слева на фото для сравнения: современный командир Серых драгун - принц Гарри, герцог Сассекский)
(on the left of the photo for comparison: the modern commander of the Greys Dragoons - Prince Harry, Duke of Sussex)

Also, in 1893 Nicholas II Romanov became the 802th knight of the Most Noble Order of the Garter (his father Alexander III, who had sworn allegiance to the British monarch in 1881, was 773th). This order is the highest knightly order of Great Britain, Nicholas was accepted before he assumed the throne, being a grand duke. The motto of the order: "Honi Soit Qui Mal y Pense".

Также Николай II Романов в 1893 стал 802-м рыцарем Наиблагороднейшего ордена Подвязки (его отец Александр III, присягнувший верности британскому монарху в 1881, был 773-им). Этот орден является высшим рыцарским орденом Великобритании, Николай был принят ещё до вступления на престол, будучи великим князем. Девиз ордена: "Honi Soit Qui Mal y Pense".

Other preserved photographs of Nicholas in dragoon ceremonial attire/Другие сохранившиеся фотографии Николая в драгунском церемониальном одеянии:
Image/photo

Order of the Garter, sign/Орден подвязки, знак:
Image/photo

#cryptocolonialism #europe #documents #feudalism #history #honisoitquimalypense #memory #occupation #orderofgarter #property #revision #russia #uk

225 years ago:
According to the official history, the transformation of viceroyalties into governorates took place by decree of Pavel Romanov, Earl of Oldenburg, Duke of Holstein-Gotorp, Grand Master of the Order of Malta (Knights Hospitalier). His reign lasted four years, ending with his assassination by conspirators.
235 years ago:
According to official history, the transformation took place soon after the formation of the Simbirsk viceroyalty in the territories of the former Kazan province (region with the predominance of Tatar language and Islam) by the decree of Princess Sophia Augusta Frederica of Anhalt-Zerbsta, born in Saxony-Anhalt, who later took the name of Catherine. She came to power as a result of a palace coup that overthrew her husband Peter Romanov, Duke of Holstein-Gothorp.
288 years ago:
Taking into account the proximity of Tula region to the center and admitting the authenticity of the above documents, the transition to a new form of writing was probably started around 1740cc, when according academic history Emperor Ivan Antonovich formally reigned the first year of his life, under regency of German duke Ernst Johann von Biron. The baby emperor was overthrown by Elizaveta Petrovna, spent almost his entire life in solitary confinement, and already in the reign of Catherine II was killed by the guards at 23 years old when indigenous people of the region tryed to release him.

By the way "Russian" Emperor Ivan Antonovich also was Prussian:
Ivan was born on 23 August 1740 at Saint Petersburg, the eldest child of Duke Anthony Ulrich of Brunswick-Lüneburg by his wife, Duchess Anna Leopoldovna of Mecklenburg-Schwerin

Please don't believe me. Check all these statements yourself. It's all from official history (but it's fake, invented by the German feudal lords themselves)

And about post-Soviet RussianFed:
Putin's Stasi spy ID found in Germany
Excerpts from the speeches of Russian Chief Rabbi Berel Lazar
Simple and bright (if you want more - just ask)

I have seen much evidence to suggest that it was mainly jews behind the Soviets, but this suggestion that the Soviet state was “on the German will,” (whatever that means,) also seems pretty sketchy.

If the materials above aren't enough, tell me, i'll show you more.

2019-09-19 18:27:34

Theaitetos (テアイテトス)

theaitetus@russiandiaspora.org

You do know that powerful people always bestow all kinds of honors onto other powerful people? Hillary Clinton probably has dozens of doctorates and knight/order memberships. In German we call it "Lametta" (tinsel) when they parade around with dozens of shiny metal things on their chest – similar to the English term "brass".

2019-09-19 18:32:01

ivan zlax

zlax@ussr.win

@Theaitetos (テアイテトス)

You do know that powerful people always bestow all kinds of honors onto other powerful people? Hillary Clinton probably has dozens of doctorates and knight/order memberships.

She is witch:
http://web.archive.org/web/20180405180026/https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/last-night-wing-welcomed-hillary-172012630.html
https://www.fulcrumnews.com/blog/2018/4/6/hillary-clinton-joins-international-elite-coven-yes-really

2019-09-19 19:09:02

Theaitetos (テアイテトス)

theaitetus@russiandiaspora.org

i know

2019-09-19 19:15:10

ivan zlax

zlax@ussr.win

@Theaitetos (テアイテトス) i like decentralized witches (without hierarchy), but do not like all this witch hierarchies:
autotranslated article
https://invidio.us/watch?v=hxqcF3fGWCk

2019-09-21 15:23:44

syntaktis

https://mastodon.social/users/syntaktis

@zlax
I don't know from which part of the world you are, but in Europe these events are not just downplayed, they are almost completely unknown. Which is typical of #goebbelism: "The things that are most dangerous to us, let's not talk about them, let's pretend they never happened. Let's talk about something else, let's change the subject." Personally, the first time I ever heard about this famine was from your post.
(to be continued)

2019-09-21 15:29:30

syntaktis

https://mastodon.social/users/syntaktis

@zlax
But on the second part, where you compare to the Holocaust... I don't see the point. Many famines or massacres have happened. It's not about one versus the other. Who died the most, or who suffered the most... What would be the purpose of such a competition?

2019-09-23 01:09:11

ivan zlax

zlax@ussr.win

@syntaktis

But on the second part, where you compare to the Holocaust... I don't see the point. Many famines or massacres have happened. It's not about one versus the other. Who died the most, or who suffered the most... What would be the purpose of such a competition?

The Western mass media promote the Holocaust. They invest a lot of money in promoting this topic. But where is "Bengal Schindler's List"?
The Holocaust, also known as the Shoah, was the World War II genocide of the European Jews. Between 1941 and 1945. 6 million victims
but:
It is not the Holocaust, not the Shoah. It's not worth the attention and memory:
Genocide of the Chiness People. Between 1941 and 1945 - 20 million victims (10 - civilian)
Genocide of the Soviet People. Between 1941 and 1945 - 26 million victims (10 - civilian)
(source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_casualties#Classification_of_casualties)
Genocide of the Bengal People. Between 1941 and 1945 - 20-40 million victims (according to Tamil data)

The West is praising JHVH's chosen genocide. The West does not pay attention to the genocide of the Goyim - it is simple.

You think this is hypocrisy and double standards?

No, it is just a JHVH's plan:

2019-09-23 10:02:22

syntaktis

https://mastodon.social/users/syntaktis

@zlax
So, what I get from your posts is that the European's Jews genocide is not important because.... not enough people died!
That shows to me that your morality is... not existent. You don't really care about the Soviets, nor the Chinese, or the Bengalis. You just use their deaths to promote whatever ideas of yours you want to promote. I think it is you who are the hypocrite, after all.

2019-09-23 10:56:11

ivan zlax

zlax@ussr.win

@syntaktis

So, what I get from your posts is that the European's Jews genocide is not important because.... not enough people died!

No. You get it wrong.

That shows to me that your morality is... not existent.

Exactly, i have no hypocrisy morality like Westerners.

You don't really care about the Soviets, nor the Chinese, or the Bengalis.

My grandfather was wounded by Nazis. He died two years after war. Nazis murdered many of my cousin grandfathers.
Did you or your ancestors ever get hurt by the events of 41-45? Or did you just benefit from it?

You just use their deaths to promote whatever ideas of yours you want to promote.

I'm not the first day here. How my experience suggests that such unfounded allegations reflect the speaker's perception: you just use Jewish deaths to promote whatever ideas of yours you want to promote.

I think it is you who are the hypocrite, after all.

No, you. Because you didn't know about the Bengal genocide, but you knew about the Jewish genocide, and you're even here trying to promote it.
Jewish Holocaust was a hoax in collaboration between Nazis and Zionists:

My good Orthodox Jewish friends told me that.

2019-09-23 14:54:19

Wolf

wolf@podricing.pw

Jewish Holocaust was a hoax in collaboration between Nazis and Zionists:

No it wasn't the Nazis who perpetrated this hoax, it was the Soviets and the allies. (All Zionists.)

2019-09-23 17:19:54

ivan zlax

zlax@ussr.win

@Wolf https://www.researchgate.net/publication/265186180_51_Documents_Zionist_Collaboration_with_the_Nazis

51 Documents: Zionist Collaboration With the Nazis

2019-09-23 21:06:36

Theaitetos (テアイテトス)

theaitetus@russiandiaspora.org

@ivan zlax, are you seriously trying to make the case that the Nazis & Jews faked the Holocaust after World War 2?

2019-09-24 10:10:47

ivan zlax

zlax@ussr.win

@Theaitetos (テアイテトス)

@ivan zlax, are you seriously trying to make the case that the Nazis & Jews faked the Holocaust after World War 2?

No. They start to fake it before WWII:

ivan zlax wrote the following post Mon, 03 Dec 2018 16:15:19 +0300

Balfour Declaration
Five days before the Soviet revolution:

Fünf Tage vor der Sowjetrevolution:

„Verehrter Lord Rothschild,
ich bin sehr erfreut, Ihnen im Namen der Regierung Seiner Majestät die folgende Erklärung der Sympathie mit den jüdisch-zionistischen Bestrebungen übermitteln zu können, die dem Kabinett vorgelegt und gebilligt worden ist:
Die Regierung Seiner Majestät betrachtet mit Wohlwollen die Errichtung einer nationalen Heimstätte für das jüdische Volk in Palästina und wird ihr Bestes tun, die Erreichung dieses Zieles zu erleichtern, mit der Maßgabe, dass nichts geschehen soll, was die bürgerlichen und religiösen Rechte der bestehenden nicht-jüdischen Gemeinschaften in Palästina oder die Rechte und den politischen Status der Juden in anderen Ländern in Frage stellen könnte.
Ich wäre Ihnen dankbar, wenn Sie diese Erklärung zur Kenntnis der Zionistischen Weltorganisation bringen würden.
Ihr ergebener Arthur Balfour“

За пять дней до Октябрьской революции:

Министерство иностранных дел, 2 ноября 1917 года
Уважаемый лорд Ротшильд.
Имею честь передать Вам от имени правительства Его Величества следующую декларацию, в которой выражается сочувствие сионистским устремлениям евреев, представленную на рассмотрение кабинета министров и им одобренную:
«Правительство Его Величества с одобрением рассматривает вопрос о создании в Палестине национального очага для еврейского народа, и приложит все усилия для содействия достижению этой цели; при этом ясно подразумевается, что не должно производиться никаких действий, которые могли бы нарушить гражданские и религиозные права существующих нееврейских общин в Палестине или же права и политический статус, которыми пользуются евреи в любой другой стране».
Я был бы весьма признателен Вам, если бы Вы довели эту Декларацию до сведения Сионистской федерации.
Искренне Ваш,
Артур Джеймс Бальфур.

#documents #document #past #war #uk #Zionism #asia #europe #conspiracy #capitalism #property #ritual #deutsch #1917cc

http://www.marxists.de/middleast/schoenman/ch06.htm

Zionism and Fascism
The history of Zionism - largely suppressed - is sordid.
Mussolini set up squadrons of the Revisionist Zionist youth movement, Betar, in black shirts in emulation of his own Fascist bands.
When Menachem Begin became chief of Betar, he preferred the brown shirts of the Hitler gangs, a uniform Begin and Betar members wore to all meetings and rallies - at which they greeted each other and opened and closed meetings with the fascist salute.
Simon Petilura was a Ukrainian fascist who personally directed pogroms which killed 28,000 Jews in 897 separate pogroms. Jabotinsky negotiated an alliance with Petilura, proposing a Jewish police force to accompany Petilura’s forces in their counter-revolutionary fight against the Red Army and the Bolshevik Revolution - a process involving the murder of peasant, worker and intellectual supporters of the revolution.

Collaborating with the Nazis
This strategy of enlisting Europe’s virulent Jew-haters, and of aligning with the most vicious movements and regimes as financial and military patrons of a Zionist colony in Palestine, did not exclude the Nazis.
The Zionist Federation of Germany sent a memorandum of support to the Nazi Party on June 21, 1933. In it the Federation noted:
    ... a rebirth of national life such as is occurring in German life ... must also take place in the Jewish national group.
    On the foundation of the new [Nazi] state which has established the principle of race, we wish so to fit our community into the total structure so that for us, too, in the sphere assigned to us, fruitful activity for the Fatherland is possible ... [81]
Far from repudiating this policy, the World Zionist Organization Congress in 1933 defeated a resolution calling for action against Hitler by a vote of 240 to 43.
During this very Congress, Hitler announced a trade agreement with the WZO’s Anglo-Palestine Bank, breaking, thereby, the Jewish boycott of the Nazi regime at a time when the German economy was extremely vulnerable. It was the height of the Depression and people were wheeling barrels full of worthless German Marks. The World Zionist Organization broke the Jewish boycott and became the principal distributor of Nazi goods throughout the Middle East and Northern Europe. They established the Ha’avara, which was a bank in Palestine designed to receive monies from the German-Jewish bourgeoisie, with which sums Nazi goods were purchased in very substantial quantity.

Embracing the S.S.
Consequently, the Zionists brought Baron Von Mildenstein of the S.S. Security Service to Palestine for a six-month visit in support of Zionism. This visit led to a twelve-part report by Joseph Goebbels, Hitler’s Minister of Propaganda, in Der Angriff (The Assault) in 1934 praising Zionism. Goebbels ordered a medallion struck with the Swastika on one side, and on the other, the Zionist Star of David. In May 1935, Reinhardt Heydrich, the chief of the S.S. Security Service, wrote an article in which he separated Jews into "two categories." The Jews he favored were the Zionists: "Our good wishes together with our official good will go with them."[82] In 1937, the Labor "socialist" Zionist militia, the Haganah (founded by Jabotinsky) sent an agent (Feivel Polkes) to Berlin offering to spy for the S.S. Security Service in exchange for the release of Jewish wealth for Zionist colonization. Adolf Eichmann was invited to Palestine as the guest of the Haganah.
Feivel Polkes informed Eichmann:
    Jewish nationalist circles were very pleased with the radical German policy, since the strength of the Jewish population in Palestine would be so far increased thereby that in the foreseeable future the Jews could reckon upon numerical superiority over the Arabs. [83]
The list of acts of Zionist collaboration with the Nazis goes on and on. What can account for this incredible willingness of Zionist leaders to betray the Jews of Europe? The entire rationale for the state of Israel offered by its apologists has been that it was intended to be the refuge of Jews facing persecution.
The Zionists, to the contrary, saw any effort to rescue Europe’s Jews not as the fulfilment of their political purpose but as a threat to their entire movement. If Europe’s Jews were saved, they would wish to go elsewhere and the rescue operation would have nothing to do with the Zionist project of conquering Palestine.

2019-09-24 10:16:30

ivan zlax

zlax@ussr.win

@kuchinster and back side of this medal:

...

And another one:

https://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/coin-is-not-proof-of-nazi-collaboration-with-zionists-says-historian-1.435856

The Jewish Chronicle: Coin is not proof of Nazi collaboration with Zionists, says historian

If a historian on the state salary officially denies something, it could be the proof of what he denies.

2019-09-24 14:21:22

Theaitetos (テアイテトス)

theaitetus@russiandiaspora.org

I know that part: The Germans wanted the Jews expelled and sending them to a Zionist Israel would be a great way of dealing with the Jewish Question.

But you said the Nazis faked the Holocaust with the Jews.

2019-09-24 14:35:29

ivan zlax

zlax@ussr.win

@Theaitetos (テアイテトス)

But you said the Nazis faked the Holocaust with the Jews.

No. I never said it. Please don't turn over my words.

I said: Zionist Collaborated With the Nazis.
I showed proofs. I can show you more if you want:
https://www.jstor.org/stable/2536016
The Secret Contacts: Zionism and Nazi Germany, 1933-1941
Vol. 5, No. 3/4 (Spring - Summer, 1976), pp. 54-82
Published by: University of California Press on behalf of the Institute for Palestine Studies
It was the well documented collaboration. Just ask if you want more official proofs.

2019-09-24 14:39:13

Theaitetos (テアイテトス)

theaitetus@russiandiaspora.org

This is what you said in this comment

@ivan zlax: "Jewish Holocaust was a hoax in collaboration between Nazis and Zionists"

2019-09-24 14:44:06

ivan zlax

zlax@ussr.win

@Theaitetos (テアイテトス) yes. Collaboration between Nazis and Zionists, but not collaboration between Nazis and Jews. It's a big difference.

I know a lot of anti-Zionist Jews.

2019-09-24 14:45:57

ivan zlax

zlax@ussr.win

@Theaitetos (テアイテトス) also if you look to banned "Holocaust denial materials" - many of it was written by Jewish independent researchers.

2019-09-24 14:58:38

Theaitetos (テアイテトス)

theaitetus@russiandiaspora.org

Show me proof of the Nazis & Zionists faking the Holocaust.

2019-09-24 15:16:40

ivan zlax

zlax@ussr.win

2019-09-24 15:19:26

Wolf

wolf@podricing.pw

I notice Ivan you also conveniently seem to overlook the Soviet involvement in perpetrating the holocaust hoax.

2019-09-24 15:23:36

Wolf

wolf@podricing.pw

You have also not proven that the Nazis collaborated in faking the holocaust. This particular claim I find quite absurd. Why would they demonize themselves like this? Not only is there no proof there is no motive.

2019-09-24 15:35:06

ivan zlax

zlax@ussr.win

@Wolf

I notice Ivan you also conveniently seem to overlook the Soviet involvement in perpetrating the holocaust hoax.

I do not consider the USSR to be an independent political entity, it is a puppet state of West (i will show you the documents confirming this assertion, if anyone doubts). The USSR was the most important in the organization of the state of Israel. It is also little who know on the West, but Joseph Judashvili was a mountainous Jew who educated in the jesuit seminary.

Also the KGB was flirting with the Zionists during all USSR history, look:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secret_and_Explicit_(The_Aims_and_Acts_of_Zionists)
(original version without subs)
The USSR took a key part in all this, it is undoubtedly.

2019-09-24 15:51:52

Theaitetos (テアイテトス)

theaitetus@russiandiaspora.org

You have also not proven that the Nazis collaborated in faking the holocaust.

Yes, show us proof, ivan.

2019-09-24 15:57:15

ivan zlax

zlax@ussr.win

@Wolf

You have also not proven that the Nazis collaborated in faking the holocaust.

Well, that doesn't require proof, in my opinion. The fact that the Holocaust was carried out by the Nazis is not require of evidence. The fact that the Holocaust was faked may require proof. The fact that the Nazis acted in collaboration with the Zionists may require proof.

This particular claim I find quite absurd. Why would they demonize themselves like this?

World War II did not go the way the West shows it today. Many films and books were written to present this war in a very different light. I'm asking you to postpone this question for a while - why would the Nazis have demonized themselves? I will make new posts - so i can be referred to it in answering.

Not only is there no proof there is no motive.

Not in direct text it is stated in the Secret Doctrine of EP Blavatsky.

2019-09-24 16:03:33

Wolf

wolf@podricing.pw

Anyway I don't have much more patience for your games Ivan. I'm starting to thing this is all part of your discordian thing, to try and cause chaos and confusion. I do not approve.

2019-09-24 16:05:45

Theaitetos (テアイテトス)

theaitetus@russiandiaspora.org

Well, that doesn’t require proof, in my opinion.

L O L

2019-09-24 16:11:57

ivan zlax

zlax@ussr.win

@Wolf

Anyway I don't have much more patience for your games Ivan. I'm starting to thing this is all part of your discordian thing, to try and cause chaos and confusion. I do not approve.

Does that mean you're not gonna talk to me on an equal footing from now on?

Please clarify that. The supporters of Western supremacy often treat me from the standpoint of superiority, so i appreciate the words of those who treat me equal footing. That's why i decided to prepare a series of visual posts with documents and photos, confirming the above thesis.

But now you are telling me that you have no patience. If you don't have the patience to wait, i just won't do it for you, i have other things to do. I will not plan this series of posts then. So please clarify that for me.

2019-09-24 16:17:24

ivan zlax

zlax@ussr.win

L O L

@Theaitetos (テアイテトス) the above proofs wasn't enough?

I can show you separately:
- proofs that 6 million Holocaust victims were fabricated
- proofs that the Zionists were working with the Nazis in collaboration
For which one of these statements do you need proofs?

Please do not ignore my question. I perceive your irony as an attempt to justify Nazis in this aspect. If the purpose of your ironic comments is not to try to justify the Nazis, please answer my question. And i will respond to your query about the proofs.
If you are just offended by my words (you thought that the Zionists were bad and the Nazis were good) - please also clarify this, then i will try to continue this dialogue in a different way, because the proofs i will show you - will be unconvincing for you in this case.

2019-09-24 16:37:02

Wolf

wolf@podricing.pw

Does that mean you're not gonna talk to me on an equal footing from now on?

Please clarify that. The supporters of Western supremacy often treat me from the standpoint of superiority, so i appreciate the words of those who treat me equal footing. That's why i decided to prepare a series of visual posts with documents and photos, confirming the above thesis.

Look Ivan, you just told me you neglect to mention Soviet involvement because you consider them a “puppet of the west.” How convenient for you. You also like to mention how your grandfathers were wounded or died from “nazis” supposedly in defence of this Soviet puppet of the west. Everything you blame on the west but according to your own logic here you are also the west. America and Britain are the west, I suppose Nazi Germany was “the west” and now somehow The Soviet Union was also the West, because their actions are not independently their own, (at least when they participated in something you don’t like.) This is some squirmy absurd logic, and as you can see it has circled around to bite you in the butt. So Ivan when will you be apologizing for your neo-colonialist past and western hypocrisy?

2019-09-24 17:17:34

ivan zlax

zlax@ussr.win

@Wolf

Look Ivan, you just told me you neglect to mention Soviet involvement because you consider them a “puppet of the west.”

No. I didn't neglect, it wasn't about talking. When you did, i confirmed it. That's right: The Soviets took an active part in the faking of Holocaust and establishment of Israel state (that mean that Soviets worked with collaboration with Zionists too - despite anti-Zionist quotes from Soviet leaders). Even more, Soviets collaborated with Nazis (in many ways). Even more before the World Wars Crimea was considered a potential promised land:
https://www.tabletmag.com/jewish-news-and-politics/164673/crimea-as-jewish-homeland
But the Balfour Declaration of 1917cc (the year when the Soviet state was founded and the Romanov dynasty ended, the year when the British Windsor dynasty was founded) - clearly indicated the only goal of world Zionism in Palestine.

You also like to mention how your grandfathers were wounded or died from “nazis” supposedly in defence of this Soviet puppet of the west.

They were deceived. Western Occupied Government tried to deceive me like that, too. They thought they were defending their "Soviet homeland" when they confronted the Nazi invaders on methamphetamine.

Everything you blame on the west but according to your own logic here you are also the west.

I am not. But Soviet and RussianFed governments - yes.

America and Britain are the west, I suppose Nazi Germany was “the west” and now somehow The Soviet Union was also the West, because their actions are not independently their own, (at least when they participated in something you don’t like.)

Yes. Also i could say this about Japanese government and Chinese governements - it is all Western puppets.

This is some squirmy absurd logic, and as you can see it has circled around to bite you in the butt.

That doesn't make any logic. There are only documents confirming it.

So Ivan when will you be apologizing for your neo-colonialist past and western hypocrisy?

Please say exactly what you think i owe you an apology for. Unless, of course, this is an attempt at manipulation. By the way, if you ask me to apologize, have you ever apologized to anyone?

And please do not ignore my previous question, please answer it: Does that mean you're not gonna talk to me on an equal footing from now on?
(it's important to me - if that's the case, i won't do the posts i've planned for you)

2019-09-25 03:20:10

Wolf

wolf@podricing.pw

Ivan you should realise that if you include eastern Europe (Soviet Union and/or modern Russian state) as being part of "the west" and also include east Asia (China) as being part of "the west" too... than all your talk about "the west" becomes meaningless and absurd. If the west includes the whole entire world or any country that happens to participate in something you don't like, then maybe it's time to rethink your terminology, (if not your entire ideological narrative.)

Certainly it's true that Nazi Germany had a hand in the founding of Israel. They didn't simply intend to just gas to death all the European jews (as some like to claim,) so they collaborated with Zionists to establish a country for jews to go. This is true, so I suppose in this sense it's fair to say the Nazis collaborated with Zionists.

And it is also true that the Zionists framed the Nazis for a hoax holocaust murder narative of six million jews. They spread this false narrative around the west with many jewish hollywood films and phoney history books.

But taking these two facts and using them to claim that since the Nazis collaborated with Zionists, the holocaust was a hoax perpetrated by Nazis is an absurd leap of logic. I mean c'mon Ivan, this is just ridiculous.

Please say exactly what you think i owe you an apology for.

I didn't ask you to apoligize. It was supposed to be obvious that it was a joke. A bit of absurdity to reflect the absurdity of your flawed logic.

And please do not ignore my previous question, please answer it: Does that mean you’re not gonna talk to me on an equal footing from now on?

I'll try my best to be fair with you, but if you play tricks on me with absurd discordian games I will either become frustrated or disengage.

2019-09-25 11:35:33

ivan zlax

zlax@ussr.win

@Wolf

Ivan you should realise that if you include eastern Europe (Soviet Union and/or modern Russian state) as being part of "the west" and also include east Asia (China) as being part of "the west" too...

Chinese and Russian governments are pro-Western:
http://www.reformation.org/british-secret-service-agent-mao-zedong.html
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-46525543
But the population of these countries does not support these leaders (you in the West are told quite differently - i can demonstrate it for you if you doubt) and people and governments here are different interests. But people of the West supports their governments, they has a common interest.

If the west includes the whole entire world or any country that happens to participate in something you don't like, then maybe it's time to rethink your terminology, (if not your entire ideological narrative.)

My terminology is pretty accurate. I will talk about RussianFed:
The President is an agent of Stasi. His children live in Belgium and Switzerland. Children of other government officials are studying in the United States or Britain. After they are fired from public service, these officials go to live in Spain or Cyprus. This is a pro-Western government. The local population does not support this. The local population simply does not overthrow this regime, as they are well aware that instead of some western agents they will replace another. Or another eample: this ethnic German owns all finances of the state: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herman_Gref
Power in this state is captured by Ingermanlanders.

This is true, so I suppose in this sense it's fair to say the Nazis collaborated with Zionists.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haavara_Agreement

But taking these two facts and using them to claim that since the Nazis collaborated with Zionists, the holocaust was a hoax perpetrated by Nazis is an absurd leap of logic. I mean c'mon Ivan, this is just ridiculous.

It's funny to you. Very few Western European Jews have suffered. They were all warned. Hitler himself ordered the collection of Rothschild's carpets to be taken to Switzerland so that it would not be damaged by the bombing.
But the fact is that many Jews were really destroyed (but not 6M according to revisionists data) - but most of them was from Eastern Europe, mainly from Belarus, Poland and Ukraine.
https://socialistworker.org/2012/07/23/tell-the-truth-about-shamir
I translate a quote from another article for you:
Hitler admitted it was funded by the Jews. Herman Rauschning, one of Hitler's closest friends of the pre-war period, wrote in his book "Hitler told me" that the Fuhrer told him: "The Jews made an important contribution to my struggle. A huge number of Jews supported me financially in my movement. This support played a major role in "overcoming the anti-Nazi boycott and allowed Germany to enter the war as an industrial giant.
By the way, under Company I. G. Farben was a labor camp, which was better known as Auschwitz III. And another fact: the headquarters of I. G. Farben. G. Farben in Hamburg was never bombed, although it was an important military facility for the Germans. Subsequently, this building was the headquarters of the CIA.
In the Berlin office of I.G. Farben was the main Nazi spy center. This structure was headed by the director of the company Max Ilgner, the nephew of the president I.G. Farben Hermann Schmitz. Both of them were on the board of directors of American I.G. associated with I.G. Farben.
In 1939, the center's employees were called up to the Wehrmacht, but actually stayed in their seats and did the same work.
One of the famous employees of the company's intelligence center was Prince Bernard of the Netherlands, who joined Farben in the early 30's after 18 months of service in the SS.
Bernard later became better known as the chairman of the Bilderberg Club meetings.

I'll try my best to be fair with you, but if you play tricks on me with absurd discordian games I will either become frustrated or disengage.

Ok. There is very little of material on this theme on English. It because i need time for collecting and translate material on this theme. Please wait and i made special posts with proof links on this theme in coming weeks.
But in my opinion, critical information on this topic is in these documents:
https://vault.fbi.gov/adolf-hitler/adolf-hitler-part-01-of-04/view
https://vault.fbi.gov/adolf-hitler/adolf-hitler-part-02-of-04/view
https://vault.fbi.gov/adolf-hitler/adolf-hitler-part-03-of-04/view
https://vault.fbi.gov/adolf-hitler/adolf-hitler-part-04-of-04/view
https://www.cia.gov/library/readingroom/docs/HITLER%2C%20ADOLF_0003.pdf
https://www.cia.gov/library/center-for-the-study-of-intelligence/csi-publications/csi-studies/studies/vol-58-no-3/operation-paperclip-the-secret-intelligence-program-to-bring-nazi-scientists-to-america.html
http://humansarefree.com/2015/02/fbi-quietly-declassified-secret-files.html

2019-09-25 15:10:38

Wolf

wolf@podricing.pw

None of that even attempts to prove that the Nazis participated in orchestrating the holocaust hoax. A hoax which would be used to demonize their regime and is the main argument used still to this day to portray the Nazi regime as being the most evil regime ever.

Also at the end you link to a bunch of CIA and FBI sources. How trustworthy should we consider these, especially when it comes to sensetive history that has already been lied about like this? FBI and CIA are spooks, they're professional liars and manipulators, so I consider anything that comes from them to be dubious at best.

2019-09-25 19:53:10

ivan zlax

zlax@ussr.win

@Wolf

None of that even attempts to prove that the Nazis participated in orchestrating the holocaust hoax.

I understand you. So i need time to translate more materials.
For me, an indication of this type of connection between the CIA and the Nazis is a direct indication of the connection between the Holocaust PR through Hollywood. It is obvious to me because i am outside this system. You take any statement I make as an affront to your dignity, your worldview. You perceive my arguments as something that must be opposed in order to protect your Western honor.

A hoax which would be used to demonize their regime and is the main argument used still to this day to portray the Nazi regime as being the most evil regime ever.

Such a need exists only in the West, in the West many respect the Nazis.
In my region, and in Eastern Europe, demonization is not required. Nazi soldiers with songs and dances on meth have killed many people here.

Also at the end you link to a bunch of CIA and FBI sources. How trustworthy should we consider these, especially when it comes to sensetive history that has already been lied about like this? FBI and CIA are spooks, they're professional liars and manipulators, so I consider anything that comes from them to be dubious at best.

I agree. But Operation Paperclip is not hoax. CIA and Nazies worked in collaboration for made MoonHoax. Don't think i'm trying to elevate the Soviet space program, it's also was hoax. Here are the words of von Brown:
“we will have to pass Russian customs when we finally reach the moon”
It seems unlikely to me that the Nazis cooperated with the CIA only in the field of hoaxing a flight to the moon, and did not participate in Holocaust hoaxing. The promotion of the Holocaust is primarily the merit of Hollywood, which in this sense is controlled by the CIA: https://journals.openedition.org/inmedia/558
The CIA has good relations with Jewish producers of Hollywood and with the Nazis.
Both projects - Nazis and Soviets - were temporary projects. Both projects were born in Germany.